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Re: Self diagnosis/medical assessment?

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    Name a single vaccine that causes more morbidity and mortality than it
    prevents.

    That wasn't his statement.
    His was, "more than the disease itself."

    The fallacy is obvious, of course: any really effective
    preventive measure with nonzero risk will do more harm
    than what it guards against.

    However, to answer you, smallpox. Zero cases prevented [1].
    At least some morbidity -- the vaccine has a high profile
    of adverse effects. QED.

    Good examples of vaccines which do more harm than the
    diseases (at least in North America) are measles and
    live-virus polio. Granted, the morbidity from them is
    not more than single-digits per year, and the mortality
    even less -- but the diseases are practically eliminated.
    For now. Locally.

    [1] Medically speaking. Whether the distribution of the
    vaccine helped /politically/ to prevent the release
    of wild smallpox is purely speculative.

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    > If you came here to bash conventional medicine, the biggest
    > and best lifesaver in all of history, be prepared to be
    > confronted by the truth.
    The biggest and best lifesaver in all history has been sanitation.


    No, vaccination is. Check out areas of the third world where vaccination


    has

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    been introduced, but sanitation and other infrastructure haven't.

    Don't have to go to the third world, many mothers sign releases for their
    children's vaccinations which state probabilities of death higher for the
    vaccination than for the disease the vaccination is supposed to prevent.

    Name a single vaccine that causes more morbidity and mortality than it
    prevents.

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