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Re: Reporter's 3 months Atkins experiment

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  1. Doug Freyburger said:
    Ada Ma said:

    Thanks Doug for your comments. It's very helpful. The names of
    the chemicals in the quote just totally floored me. Thanks!

    Interesting. I just read though the entire set of web pages and
    there wasn't a single unfamiliar chemical discussed. Nothing but
    the names of the usual ketones, standard amino acids discussed,
    the usual hormones and so on.

    The doctor who can't tell an apple from a tunafish sandwich, I
    mean who couldn't tell dietary ketosis, went on about all the
    usual stuff that's discussed on ALDLC all the time, as if it was
    some sort of mystery that the predictable was happening and the
    reporter was getting steadily more healthy.

    One major mistake - Where did this six week testing stuff come
    from? Most versions of the book specify testing at the beginning
    and testing in six months, specifically because the numbers *do*
    tend to be confusing around six weeks in. The 2003 edition
    switched to testing in three months (12 weeks not 6) and that's
    too agressive in my opinion.

    So the doctor saw the obvious and expected and was confused by
    it. Nothing that reading the book and a few posts here couldn't
    have handled.

    Hey the chemical names are familiar to you but they totally evade *me*! I have
    near to no training in chemistry so even if I have came across the names of the
    chemicals while reading the Atkins book, I can't remember any of it. I can just
    about remember what some hormones do, e.g. like the LH and FSH, because their
    names indicate what they do. But when I see things like beta-hydroxybutyrate,
    acetoacetate, acetone, alanine, I feel confused.

  2. Ada Ma said:
    Doug Freyburger said:

    Interesting. I just read though the entire set of web pages and
    there wasn't a single unfamiliar chemical discussed. Nothing but
    the names of the usual ketones, standard amino acids discussed,
    the usual hormones and so on.

    Hey the chemical names are familiar to you but they totally evade
    *me*!

    That's okay. Consider. If you read someone using unfamiliar terms
    are they dazzling you with their brilliance or are they baffling you
    with their bullsh*t? Boil it down to that.

    The so-called expert who mentioned the chemcial names can't tell
    ketoacidosis from dietary ketosis. Just from that you can be sure
    it's baffling with bullsh*t whether you think the chemcial names
    are as common as the days of the week or you've never heard them
    before.

    When exposed to complexity, step back and look for the simplicity.

  3. What a hypocrite.

    You always state the most complex reasoning on why Atkins might work.

    --
    Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

    "Doug Freyburger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Ada Ma said:
    Doug Freyburger said:

    Interesting. I just read though the entire set of web pages and
    there wasn't a single unfamiliar chemical discussed. Nothing but
    the names of the usual ketones, standard amino acids discussed,
    the usual hormones and so on.

    Hey the chemical names are familiar to you but they totally evade
    *me*!

    That's okay. Consider. If you read someone using unfamiliar terms
    are they dazzling you with their brilliance or are they baffling you
    with their bullsh*t? Boil it down to that.

    The so-called expert who mentioned the chemcial names can't tell
    ketoacidosis from dietary ketosis. Just from that you can be sure
    it's baffling with bullsh*t whether you think the chemcial names
    are as common as the days of the week or you've never heard them
    before.

    When exposed to complexity, step back and look for the simplicity.

  4. JC Der Koenig said:
    Doug Freyburger said:

    When exposed to complexity, step back and look for the simplicity.

    What a hypocrite.

    I love you too.

    Quoted message said:

    You always state the most complex reasoning on why Atkins might work.

    The Atkins *process* is simple. The mechanism of how it works is a
    set of several feedback loops of different hormones doing different
    things. It is complex. It's why the process isn't obvious yet why
    the process works.

    Of course if all you're interested in is high effort skill free
    brute force and ignorance, your "eat less and exercise more" approach
    does work. It's harder on the effort in exchange for easier on the
    brain but that balances out. Thinking is work. Ah well, I guess
    avoiding thinking is something you need.

  5. "Doug Freyburger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    JC Der Koenig said:
    Doug Freyburger said:

    When exposed to complexity, step back and look for the simplicity.

    What a hypocrite.

    I love you too.

    Quoted message said:

    You always state the most complex reasoning on why Atkins might work.

    The Atkins *process* is simple. The mechanism of how it works is a
    set of several feedback loops of different hormones doing different
    things. It is complex. It's why the process isn't obvious yet why
    the process works.

    Of course if all you're interested in is high effort skill free
    brute force and ignorance, your "eat less and exercise more" approach
    does work. It's harder on the effort in exchange for easier on the
    brain but that balances out. Thinking is work. Ah well, I guess
    avoiding thinking is something you need.

    I'm saving my mental effort for where it's needed.

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