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Re: Red meat causing diabetes?

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  1. Quoted message said:

    A scary study. Any thoughts on this in the LC context will be
    appreciated...

    http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/488923?src=mp

    Reading the details finds:

    "Furthermore, total red meat intake was positively associated with
    total energy intake, intakes of all fatty acids, cholesterol, and
    protein but inversely associated with dietary carbohydrate, fiber,
    magnesium intakes, and glycemic load. Similar associations were
    observed for total meat and processed meat."

    The carb and gl results speak to lc as a factor. Saturated fat is known
    to increase insulin resistence and many research folk see diabetes as a
    disorder of lipid handling at the cell level. Carbs and gl come into
    effect after the metabolic syndrom is underway. Weight, as in the
    relationship to total energy intake above, is central at all levels and
    stages of the disorder.

  2. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    A scary study. Any thoughts on this in the LC context will be
    appreciated...

    http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/488923?src=mp

    Reading the details finds:

    "Furthermore, total red meat intake was positively associated with
    total energy intake, intakes of all fatty acids, cholesterol, and
    protein but inversely associated with dietary carbohydrate, fiber,
    magnesium intakes, and glycemic load. Similar associations were
    observed for total meat and processed meat."

    The carb and gl results speak to lc as a factor. Saturated fat is known
    to increase insulin resistence and many research folk see diabetes as a
    disorder of lipid handling at the cell level. Carbs and gl come into
    effect after the metabolic syndrom is underway. Weight, as in the
    relationship to total energy intake above, is central at all levels and
    stages of the disorder.

    If you look at the table 1 that shows the subjects in the 1st and 5th
    quintiles, you can see some differences such as total calories consumed,
    the level of exercise, mean BMI, family history of diabetes, etc. Not
    only did the 5th quintile group consume more calories, they exercised
    less than the 1st quintile group. The 5th quintile had the highest risk
    for diabetes (table 4) as well as the highest family history of diabetes
    (table 1). The authors could have done more analysis with the
    information they had at hand.

  3. "If you look at the table 1 that shows the subjects in the 1st and 5th
    quintiles, you can see some differences such as total calories consumed,
    the level of exercise, mean BMI, family history of diabetes, etc. Not
    only did the 5th quintile group consume more calories, they exercised
    less than the 1st quintile group. The 5th quintile had the highest risk
    for diabetes (table 4) as well as the highest family history of diabetes
    (table 1). The authors could have done more analysis with the
    information they had at hand."

    If I'm reading correctly, such more detailed analysis was done in the
    "results" section and the correlations hold up at a significant level when
    they test for the various single variables:

    http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/488923_3

  4. "Jefferson" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    If you look at the table 1 that shows the subjects in the 1st and 5th
    quintiles, you can see some differences such as total calories consumed,
    the level of exercise, mean BMI, family history of diabetes, etc. Not
    only did the 5th quintile group consume more calories, they exercised
    less than the 1st quintile group. The 5th quintile had the highest risk
    for diabetes (table 4) as well as the highest family history of diabetes
    (table 1). The authors could have done more analysis with the
    information they had at hand.

    Yep. Good points. I don't find this study all that convincing, frankly. For
    decades now the "conventional wisdom" has been that red meat and processed
    meats - especially stuff like bacon, hot dogs, Spam - are "bad for you".
    People who are somewhat knowlegable re nutritrition and motivated to eat
    well have been avoiding them. These same folks almost certainly have a lot
    of other good dietary habits that could well play a role in avoiding
    diabetes. They probably eat more vegetables and fruit, and of better quality
    and more likely to be fresh or lightly cooked. I'd guess they are more
    likely to take dietary supplements, etc. etc. As you point out , they appear
    to be more likely to exercise. There just seem to be too many variables, and
    certainly the majority of them do not appear to be controlled for.

    HG

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