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Re: Prescriptions for diabetics .

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  1. "Langerhans" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    I think every doc has his own preferences, but for a T2, most start with
    metformin at 500mg qd, ramping it up as the GI distress decreases. Some
    seem to add a sulf, either through ignorance or to knock down the
    glucotoxicity right away. From there it is all tweaking the meds,
    perhaps adding a TZD, until fasting and A1c come down.

    Do you mean metformin 500mg twice daily ?

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    The preferred BP meds for a diabetic are the ACE class, then the ARBs if
    people get the bradykinin cough. CCBs have some negative effects in
    diabetics, as do BBs.

    What are the negative effects ?

    Kam

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  2. Kamalakar Pasupuleti said:

    "Langerhans" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I think every doc has his own preferences, but for a T2, most start with
    metformin at 500mg qd, ramping it up as the GI distress decreases. Some
    seem to add a sulf, either through ignorance or to knock down the
    glucotoxicity right away. From there it is all tweaking the meds,
    perhaps adding a TZD, until fasting and A1c come down.

    Do you mean metformin 500mg twice daily ?

    No, I mean 500mg per day as a start, titrating up to a level that works.
    The "theraputic" dosage is generally thought to be 1.5g/day. Some need
    that much, some less, and some more.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    The preferred BP meds for a diabetic are the ACE class, then the ARBs if
    people get the bradykinin cough. CCBs have some negative effects in
    diabetics, as do BBs.

    What are the negative effects ?

    Kam

    There is lots of controversy afoot regarding the HTN meds and DM due to
    potentially conflicting reports from ALLHAT, NHANES-II, and some others.
    It was once thought that a diuretic like HCTZ increased BG, as measured
    by A1c. It was thought that CCBs also raised BG, *probably* by the
    calcium-channel effects on the pancreas or by increasing insulin
    resistance in T2s. BBs are still thought of as having the potential to
    mask or even potentiate the effects of diabetic autonomic neuropathy.

    The studies above have lead to the recommendation that the choice of HTN
    med be made based upon other conditions which the patient presents with.

    "Diuretics, beta-blockers, CCBs, ACE inhibitors, and ARBs have all been
    shown to reduce adverse clinical events in diabetic hypertensives.
    Choice of drug for any patient should be individualized. There is
    evidence that certain drugs are more useful in preventing damage to a
    specific organ system, and so selection of therapy can be based on what
    clinical disease the patient is particularly prone to. However, no drug
    has been shown to be better than the others in preventing damage to all
    the organ systems at risk in the diabetic hypertensive. Beta-blockers
    and CCBs are effective antianginals; diuretics, ACE inhibitors, and
    beta-blockers are useful for heart failure; CCBs and diuretics are
    especially effective in preventing stroke; and ACE inhibitors and ARBs
    are especially effective in preserving renal function. Despite its
    adverse metabolic profile, diuretics prevent cardiovascular disease as
    well as the other, newer antihypertensive agents, and there should be no
    hesitation in initiating the diabetic hypertensive on diuretic therapy.
    Nevertheless, physicians must remember the need to monitor electrolyte,
    glucose, and uric acid levels as well as the renal status of patients on
    diuretic therapy."

    The above quote was taken from http://www.medscape.com/viewprogram/3989

  3. "Langerhans" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    What are the negative effects ?

    Quoted message said:

    The studies above have lead to the recommendation that the choice of HTN
    med be made based upon other conditions which the patient presents with.

    Quoted message said:

    The above quote was taken from http://www.medscape.com/viewprogram/3989

    Many thanks - very good info .
    Regards ,
    Kam

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