Re: Pedal/Crank Grabbing in Trials



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> So how else then would you jump up 160cm, for example, if not by pedal
> grabbing, and if there's nothing nearby a little lower and within your
> "direct-to-rubber"abiltiy, that you could get to the higher ledge from
> there? Just not do it? Think this way also, the drop back DOWN looks
> impressive and probably more so to regular folk who see a big drop as
> much more amazing than a big jump up. (Even though jumping up 110cm is
> way harder than the hop back down lol!)



Nobody can do 160 cm pedal grab. Think this: How is it that a hand, a
foot, even the seat, is will get you disqualified *in a competition*
(how many times do I have to say this?). Why is a pedal?


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Danni wrote:
> Nobody can do 160 cm pedal grab. Think this: How is it that a hand, a
> foot, even the seat, is will get you disqualified *in a competition*
> (how many times do I have to say this?). Why is a pedal?

Why is a pedal what? Allowed to touch? Because it's PART of the uni, and
your not having body contact with the grab object! and to use your above
quote, (how many times do I have to say this?):):rolleyes::D Does it say
in the rules that ONLY the tire can be in contact with the trials course
obstacles? If so, then I stand corrected. And unless your doing a seat
trick, like a whip, bounce etc., which you don't in trials, I don't
think there would ever be any "seat" contact with the course obstacles,
unless you fell and dropped your uni.


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MuniAddict wrote:
> Why is a pedal what? Allowed to touch? Because it's PART of the uni, and
> your not having body contact with the grab object! and to use your above
> quote, (how many times do I have to say this?):):rolleyes::D



The ONLY part of a unicycle allowed to touch is the pedals and tire IN
COMPETITION. Why? Like I've said before, I don't care what you do in
your backyard. Go and do your 160cm hops to pedal terry, and I couldn't
give a damn (I would actually, because that's damn high!). Pedal and
crank everything in sight and laugh with glee and ride into the
rainbow. But in a trials competition, designed to *determine* who has
the best trials ability, going to rubber is a better gauge of skill.


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Danni wrote:
> But in a trials competition, designed to *determine* who has the best
> trials ability, going to rubber is a better gauge of skill.




How about the better gauge of skill just be who can get over the
obstacle on a unicycle. As long as pedal grabs are allowed to both
riders, shouldn't the better rider still win?


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Danni wrote:
> The ONLY part of a unicycle allowed to touch is the pedals and tire IN
> COMPETITION.

You just answered the whole thing right there! If the pedals are allowed
to touch, than PG is also allowed. So do your max to rubber, 110cm or
w/e, then do PG if you need to get higher. That way you've already
showed your high level of skill, and also that you can PG cleanly and
with style to get even higher!:cool:


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I just asked Kris what he thinks about the subject, so ill post his
answer once I get it.


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Jerrick wrote:
> I just asked Kris what he thinks about the subject, so ill post his
> answer once I get it.

Well, KH has made at least one tutorial on PG.

Kris Holm Tutorials
Tutorials given by the world's best trials rider, Kris Holm. Filmed and
edited by Jeff Lutkus.

'Basic Hopping Techniques' (http://tinyurl.com/8y98t) 3.98MB
'Rocks 'n' Railings' (http://tinyurl.com/4wz3n4) 3.03MB
'Seat In Front Hops' (http://tinyurl.com/bzwqx) 5.32MB *
'Pedal Grabs' (http://tinyurl.com/paka7)* 3.87MB
'Correct Landing Techniques' (http://tinyurl.com/q8lq5) 4.29MB
'Correct Landing Techniques II' (http://tinyurl.com/ezylx) 2.90MB

The above links are kindof old, so they may not be good.


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Danni wrote:
> Think this: How is it that a hand, a foot, even the seat, is will get
> you disqualified *in a competition* (how many times do I have to say
> this?). Why is a pedal?



The tire shouldn't be allowed either....:rolleyes:


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I didn't read all the posts, but from what I did read, there is a bit of
inaccuracy.

Firstly, for biketrials, we don't always lean the front wheel when
doing moves. When you see riders lean to their front wheel first to do
sidehops or when pedalgrabbing, that is the easy way out. Most good
riders would not do that. Biketrials riders can still kick a uni's ass
when they take their front wheels off in many moves, so it's not all
about the extra front wheel.

As for pedalgrabbing and going to metal in general... it's not great
and is considered slightly taboo in biketrials. It degrades the value
of getting up an object if you have to force yourself to go to
bashguard/pedal/crankarm. Especially in the UK, where biketrials
standard is FAR FAR FAR ahead of North America, we are more strict on
ourselves with going to metal. That's for biketrials anyway. But do
remember, without biketrials, unicycle trials would not be as big or
technologically-advanced.. heck, a huge proportion of components that
trials unis use are biketrials parts, and lots come from biketrials
brands! (e.g. Koxx, Onza, Monty)

BUT... for unicycling, pedalgrabbing is a different story... Yes, this
is the only method we have to 'hook' on. But in truth, Danni is right.
In an IDEAL world for unicycling, none of us would need to go to pedal,
and just be able to go to tyre. I believe that in competition for
trials, pedalgrabbing should deduct points, but not be totally outlawed
as not everyone can sidehop 125cm or so like Joe Hodges can.

But that beind said, we should all push ourselves to not use our
pedals. Many of us think 'oh i can just go to pedal', when POTENTIALLY
we are all physically able to go to tyre (it just takes time to get the
confidence to make the jump of course). Like for hopping to rails or
high walls, most of us instantly tell ourselves to pedalgrab because we
can't make it to tyre YET. If going to bash/pedals was as taboo in
unicycling as it is in biketrials, then we would all be much better
trials riders. Part of the reason why biketrials is a more evolved and
advanced sport is because they have tabooed the use of going to
metal... this pushes riders to go to tyre, and *********** it has
worked very well! The biggest biketrials sidehop is somewhere just a
shade under 60 inches. That's huge... and this would have taken way
longer to achieve if they kept resorting to pedalgrabs.

Biketrials riders could easily go to pedal and get sidehops that shoot
near around 70 inches.... but the vast majority choose not to, and that
is why they are so damn good at hopping high to tyres.

Too much emphasis and thought that pedalgrabs make it easier for you
will only make it harder for you to get higher and better hops to tyre
in general. Push yourselves in training to not have to use the pedal,
and i am sure after a few weeks your riding would improve at a MUCH
faster rate.

To cap it off: just try and do pedalgrabs less and less, and push
yourselves to hop to tyre as much as you can. In a competition it would
be good to give small penalties to pedalgrabs. Joe has talked to Kris
about this in the past, because he too like me, strongly believes that
uni trials can only truly evolve and become great if we go to tyre
more. Sure some of you will argue 'nyeer nyer nyer, trials is free, you
do what you want'... well, to be honest, not really... the theories and
truth of 'trials' is buried deep within biketrials, so if you can,
research it a bit. Because using rubber is TRUE way to get up an
obstacle. Using bashguards/pedals/cranks is just a last resort method
to MAKE UP for not being able to get to tyre... that's why it's done!
it's a LAST RESORT method!

Oooh: for those whining about the fact that bikes have a front wheel to
lean on and complain that it's cheating.. then why do you ride a uni? if
you want to really achieve HUGE things in trials, then ride a bike. By
choosing to ride a unicycle, we have signed a contract to limiting
ourselves (in a sense!), so we should make do with what we have.

First post here in ages... haha, i should start riding my uni more
again.


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Well, bikes have the advantage of the leverage affect of the
handlebars.
So, lets not ban the pedalgrab but ban the crankgrab.
The crankgrab is way easier to master and gives more stability then a
pedalgrab.
As going for pedalgrabs in competitions, why not enter a rule that you
must go to rubber from pedal in a sertent time (5seconds or so).
That would make a grab much harder and the line keeps it's flow.


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> I don't like having penis written all over my uni:) .



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