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Re: Pan Pharmaceuticals and the Administrator.

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  1. Quoted message said:

    From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
    Date: 9/1/2003 5:03 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    and I do not lie.

    WRONG!

    There are three whoppers here, no four, no five!!

    http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/deadkids.htm

    One of the tactics of supporters of "alternative medicine" is to deflect
    criticism of quackery by pointing out that people sometimes die while under the
    care of real doctors.

    LIE #1

    To rational people, this is not surprising as the people seeing doctors and
    being admitted to hospitals are sick. When a rare mistake by doctors is
    discovered

    OH I JUST FOUND ANOTHER ONE!!!

    Rare?!?! No, I don't think so!!

    LIE # 2

    Let's look at three dead children and see what we can learn from their deaths.

    Ben Kolb

    Ben Kolb was killed by a tragic mistake when he was given an injection of
    adrenaline instead of an anaesthetic. The error occurred because things were
    not labelled correctly in the operating theatre. The injection that Ben was
    supposed to receive has been given tens of thousands of times before and it is
    because his reaction was so obviously atypical that the theatre staff knew
    immediately that something had gone wrong. Despite desperate efforts to save
    his life, Ben died. Ben's parents were notified as soon as the problem was
    identified and the surgeon, hospital and anaesthetist all admitted
    responsibility. A year later, the anaesthetist still breaks down and cries in
    public when reminded of Ben's death

    Some proponents of "alternative medicine" have tried to make an issue out of
    Ben's death, apparently on the basis that a mistake made by real doctors
    somehow has something to do with children dying because pretend doctors treat
    them with snake oil.

    Lie #3

    If the adrenaline had been deliberately administered to Ben as part of some
    mad, unproven treatment protocol invented by someone with no medical training,
    no knowledge of science and no justification other than their own idiosyncratic
    quackery then it would have been something to do with "alternative medicine".

    When I first went to the web site of the lawyers who acted for Ben Kolb's
    parents in their negotiations with the hospital, I expected to find some
    ambulance chasers in full flight. Instead, when I looked there I was pleasantly
    surprised to find a balanced and sensitive approach to the incident and the
    doctors who were as much a part of the tragedy as the parents. The attitude of
    the parents' lawyers stands in stark contrast to the way "alternative medicine"
    supporters

    LIE#4

    attempt to demonise the people who made a tragic mistake.

    LIE #5

    Jan

  2. (Jan) said:

    WRONG!

    There are three whoppers here, no four, no five!!

    http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/deadkids.htm

    Why is it that Jan never mentions the other two children when she
    cites this web page? I realise that she is programmed to use Ben
    Kolb's death to demonise medicine, but surely she must feel some
    sympathy for Alan Ream and Candace Newmaker.

    Oh, I forgot - Candace was killed by some alternative practice and
    therefore her death is useless in the anti-medicine campaign, and Alan
    was bashed to death by a violent vaccination injection and the only
    use for him is to get a murderer out of prison. Jan did once say that
    it was pointless to pray for Alan as he was dead.

    For the philosophers among us, every time Jan calls me a liar for
    saying that the death of Ben Kolb is used by alt supporters to
    demonise medicine she is adding another example of what Carnap called
    a "confirming instance".

    --
    Peter Bowditch
    The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
    The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
    To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

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    "Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

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    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    LIE #1
    LIE # 2
    Lie #3
    LIE#4
    LIE #5

    Jan

    And thus, we begin September.

    Oops! Forgot the KaChing! $1 Quackwatch $5 Ratbags.

  4. Jan wrote:

    [[censored]]

    Quoted message said:

    Jan

    Here we again see in full public how Jan Drew seeds hatred. She does so to
    make people beliebe that the naturopath stuff the advertizes is better. But
    Jan Drew advertizes vor criminals like Hulda Regehr Clark, Klinghardt,
    Mercola, and so on. Jan Drew is an accomplice and she will pay for that!

  5. [email hidden] (Jan) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:


    Ben Kolb

    As accurately predicted by Peter B., Jan, a proponent of alternative
    medicine, uses the Ben Kolb story to bash real medicien and/or one of
    its proponents.

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