You sound like a first class immature [censored]. You'll live to regret
it someday - and that will be your just desserts.
Some dogs need that type of collar, for various reasons. One is dense
hair and an inability to feel pressure - another is for social skills
training of dogs that are dominate by nature/breeding. It also sounds
like you've never owned a Rottweiler that you adopted as a "spoiled
teenager".
In any case, I sincerely doubt you have the ability to train dogs in
"manners" because you don't exhibit any acceptable social skills of
your own.
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Quoted message said:HOWEDY julia,
"Julia Altshuler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:kt-
[email hidden]...Quoted message said:A moment of silence is in order for a great man.
INDEEDY! Let's SHARE the sad news with your
cooking and sewing news group pals, shall we, liea?Quoted message said:Beauty, grace, wisdom, inspiration, courage.
INDEEDY!
HOWE can we ever forget those memorable moments
watching Marcel Marceau being dragged through the
park by his little invisible dog till he followed your
advice an got hisself The PRONGED SPIKED PINCH
CHOKE COLLAR that DON'T PINCH or CHOKE and
AIN'T REALLY PRONGS, like HOWE you done, eh, liea?:From: Julia Altshuler <[email hidden]>
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 11:42:04 GMTSubject: Re: Petsmart Training
I use a prong collar on my dog. I tried it on my arm first to
know what it would feel like. I'm satisfied that it feels like
a gentle tightening, not a jerk. My dog responds much better
to the prong than she did to the slip chain or flat collar.The comparison with putting one on a small child is so
specious that I normally wouldn't reply, but I'm in a
strange mood so here goes: Dogs are not small children.
You wouldn't feed a small child dogfood either. You
wouldn't put ANY collar on a small child to be jerked
around.For that matter, you don't jerk a dog on a prong.
That's not the way they're used properly. Oh, and dogs
aren't horses either. It sounds like you need a remedial
course in animal differentiation.
--LiaFrom: Julia Altshuler [email hidden]
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 11:57:17 GMTSubject: Re: Prong Collars, good collar in the right hands?
Is your question only about prong collars on whippets,
or prong collars on any dogs? Do you want to know
my first thoughts about prong collars when I'd never
tried one, or my first thoughts when you bring up the
question now? I don't have a whippet and want to
know if I should chime in here.--Lia
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From: Julia Altshuler <[email hidden]>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 05:08:41 GMT
Subject: Re: Prong collars ?
Christopher said:Quoted message said:> What are they used for, training?
> Do they hurt the dog?
> It sure as heck looks like it would hurt!Quoted message said:Quoted message said:Try one on your arm.
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:--Lia
Quoted message said:Geez, I'm just asking a question!
Try this instead:
Hi Christopher and welcome to rpd! :-) I know what you mean
about those prong collars. LOL. They sure look Medieval, don't
they? ROFLOL!Golly gosh, but that metal looks like it would hurt ROFLOLPIP!
Try putting one on your arm and testing it there to see how much
it hurts!!!Not as much as menstrual cramps;-) Have I ever told you
about mine???? C'mon in, set a spell, and we'll chat over
a cuppa chamomile tea <giggle>We're a friendly bunch and glad to meet you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(Who says I can't be friendly when I try?)
--Lia
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Re: OT - the newsgroup - Agressive dog
"Julia Altshuler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...Good. Because after you found out that I don't believe in G-d, think
the current president is an idiot, know global warming is real,
haven't
shaved either legs or armpits in 30 years, generally vote Democratic,
and oppose the war in Iraq, you'd want nothing more to do with me.--Lia
From: [email hidden] (tethys)
Date: 17 May 2004 04:29:55 -0700Subject: Re: Petsmart Training
Rocky <[email hidden]> wrote in message
<news:[email hidden]>...Quoted message said:tethys said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
Quoted message said:How so, if used properly?
It caused injury on my 8 MONTH old puppy when a
"professional" trainer used one on her without my
permission or knowledge. You'd have a hell of a time
proving to me there is a "proper" way to use a prong collar.Quoted message said:And why would anyone use any sort of
training collar on such a young puppy?Why would someone use one on ANY dog? I have
some theories. Incompetence is one.I always wonder if the prong collar cheerleaders have
ever put one on a small child and then periodically jerked
on the leash for at least one hour. My guess is no, they
haven't and they never would.It's interesting how abuse is relative.
Better yet just put one on YOURSELF and hand the leash to a friend.
If I can walk my 1800 lb. Quarter Horse with a flat nylon
halter, surely a dog can be walked with a flat nylon collar.--------------------
Here's you jerking choking an shocking your fear
aggressive HOWETA CON-TROLL dog Cubbe
till IT ATTACKED a couple children, the neighbor's
elderly dog and your ONLY friend, eh, liea?:"I'd call the SHOCK fence effective and safe.
Humane is one of those hot words that people
can debate all day so I won't touch that one.
There are people who would call a regular chain
link fence inhumane," liea altshuller."I know this is a hard subject to bring up without
starting the whole cruelty thread again so I'll
state my opinion once and won't defend it further:
any method can be cruel for some dogs.Even the slightest punishment was wrong for Cubbe at
the beginning, but we've come a long way since then.She trusts us now as I mentioned in a recent post.
Point is, she's been rewarded for coming, but she's
never been punished, even in the mildest way, for
not coming.Is it time for that?
What might I look for to tell?"
"Might Cubbe Be Ready For Harsher Training Techniques?
It Was Horrible! I Let Cubbe Out In The Backyard With
Her Usual ZAP Collar - The 10 Year Old Child Went To
Give Cubbe A Hug + She Gave A Snarl-Snap. I don't even
think she broke the kid's skin and as far as I'm concerned,
it was the kid's own fault.""Julia Altshuler" <[email hidden]>
wrote in message news:McYnb.45145$ao4.106231@attbi_s51...After talking with the vet yesterday and watching
Cubbe all day today, I'm convinced that the shaking
is behavioral, not physical. Naturally I'll continue
keeping an eye on her, but when I add everything
up, I don't see symptoms of anything neurological--
and the vet agrees.
--Lia"Things are beginning to get much worse day
by day and the vets seem unable to help:THAT'S AN OCD. His owner CAUSED IT by
MISHANDLING and ABUSING his dog according
to the BEST advice of HOWER Gang Of Lying
Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards And ACTIVE
LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES and
ASYLUM ESCAPEES.From: Mark Shaw ([email hidden])
Subject: Re: Fido-Shock
Date: 2002-04-10 14:12:18 PST
In article <gWLs8.203228$af7.101030@rwcrnsc53>,Coleman Brumley said:Has anyone had experience with this product (Fido-Shock).
If so, what model number, voltage, etc.?If you're talking about the pet-grade hotwire system,
I have one. It's to keep boarded dogs out of my flowers.Quoted message said:I have a 1.5 year St Bernard who is scaling (not
clearing -- more like falling over) our 4 foot fence
to visit with owners walking their dogs. I thought
of raising the fence a foot or so, but don't think that'll
solve the problem. I've tried watching her outside,
and give a stern "NO" when she props on the fence
for a peek over it. No avail.I've heard this product works after just a couple of tries.
I take it you're considering running the wire across
the top of the fence? I don't think I'd recommend
that, although it may be worth a try. Watch closely -
- the one case where I saw a hotwire used in this
fashion caused the dog undue stress and frustration,
and he tried even harder to get over the fence.So be prepared to take it down right away.
That was a Dane, though. With a Saint
things might be different.
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History is a vast early warning system
Norman Cousins