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Re: Open Challenges to All Science Bigots!

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  1. Intresting, there is nothing like comparing apples to peanutbutter. If
    you want us to accept your having some knowledge of western philosophy and
    of theology, you must first critique the several flaws in your logic and
    the presuppisitions on which they stand. For an intresting book that
    touches on the topic of both science and human will:

    "How we Believe"

    M. Shermer

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    There exists a fundamental incompatibility between the free will
    concept of the human psyche assumed by classical Western morality and
    the determinism demanded by science. The basic issue remains
    inescapable. If our actions are not up to us, then we have no moral
    responsibility for them. The fundamental flaw of the scientific
    worldview is, thus, its failure to explain how free will must be
    subject to causality and, yet, remain free. The classical Western
    worldview of morality, values, and virtues says that humans are
    different from other animals precisely because man can rise above his
    base and carnal desires with his free will.

    Science says that individuals should blame everything on their
    biology, molecules, genetics, and their use of prescription
    medication. So, where is man's Free Will?

    My first challenge is for any science person is to rationally explain
    how the scientific worldview can account for FREE WILL, which just so
    happens to have been the basis of the Western system of Justice in
    America for the last 200 years. Please explain how free will must be
    subject to causality and, yet, remain free without making a public
    fool out of yourself. The facts are that no rational explanation can
    be provided by the scientific worldview. Ergo, the scientific
    worldview is fundamentally defective.

    Prior to and during the 19th century, the human psyche was a direct
    reference to the existence of the soul. Today, it primarily means the
    mind, or mental faculty, of a person; directly due to the corrupting
    influence of the scientific worldview upon Western society.

    Science goes way beyond attacking alternative medicine. It ultimately
    places a direct attack upon the Christian faith and its belief in the
    physical existence of the soul. Determinists suggests that our health
    is merely a choice between scientific biomedicine and anti-science
    alternative medicine. I am arguing, however, that the real choice is
    between scientific determinism and classical Western morality, values,
    and virtues.

    My next challenge for any science person is to rationally explain how
    the scientific worldview does not directly attack all Judeo-Christian
    religious beliefs, especially but not limited to beliefs in the
    physical existence of the human soul (both before and after death), or
    at least 50 percent of the population of the United States who hold to
    these religious, and last but not least the Republican political party
    which openly claims that America was founded upon the Christian Faith
    and its belief in the physical existence of the human soul. The facts
    are, no simple rational explanation can be provided. Ergo, the
    scientific worldview is fundamentally defective.
    --
    John Gohde,
    Achieving good Health is an Art, NOT a Science!
    http://NaturalHealthPerspective.com/
    The ONLY Frauds in Health are those who couldn't care less about
    prevention.

  2. Quoted message said:

    Intresting, there is nothing like comparing apples to peanutbutter.

    Too bad that I cannot say the same about your reply.

    Quoted message said:

    If
    you want us to accept your having some knowledge of western philosophy and
    of theology, you must first critique the several flaws in your logic and
    the presuppisitions on which they stand. For an intresting book that
    touches on the topic of both science and human will:

    "How we Believe"

    M. Shermer

    My challenge was for a science person to both explicitly and
    succinctly to put it into a reply using their own words.

    Ergo, I rule your reply a non-response .
    --
    John Gohde

  3. "My challenge was for a science person to both explicitly and
    succinctly to put it into a reply using their own words.

    Ergo, I rule your reply a non-response ."

    Succinctly, We rule you uninformed and ignorant of the basic knowledge of
    logic 101. You imply having knowledge of science and theology, the
    content of your "question" betrays your sophomoric ignorance of both. My
    response stands, when you can explain the flaws in your logic then we can
    talk, apples and peanutbutter indeed.

  4. Quoted message said:

    "My challenge was for a science person to both explicitly and
    succinctly to put it into a reply using their own words.

    YES, and I am still waiting for a serious reply.

    Quoted message said:

    Succinctly, We rule you uninformed and ignorant of the basic knowledge of
    logic 101. You imply having knowledge of science and theology, the
    content of your "question" betrays your sophomoric ignorance of both. My
    response stands, when you can explain the flaws in your logic then we can
    talk, apples and peanutbutter indeed.

    No replies worth replying today. Just the usually Toads foaming at the mouth.
    --
    John Gohde

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