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Re: Only calories matter?

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  1. How many children were in the study? Did it say anywhere?

    I believe almost everyone could do with fewer carbs than the typical US diet
    offers. I am also of the mindset that anything can be done to extreme.

    I look forward to more information being developed about the glycemic index.
    It seems to me that the type of carbs one chooses are more important than
    the source of carbs. And, I am always amazed at how some foods stack up!
    Bananas - high glycemic index. Canteloupe - low. Snickers, because of the
    nuts are interestingly low. Whole grains and brown rice do not fair much
    better than their pale counterparts.

    Off to make a low carb dinner with just enough carbs to keep me happy and
    not enough to cause my blood sugar to swing.

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    What an amazing find, as I am reading more about low carbing.

    Obese children who were fed a low carb diet lost weight and improved
    blood lipids. These children also ate 66% more calories than controls,
    who ate "heart healthy" starches and whole grains. What a surprise.

    Medline ID 15148063

    Sondike S, Jacobson, Copperman. The ketogenic diet increases weight
    loss but not cardiovascular risk: A randomized controlled trial. J
    Adolescent Health Care 2000; 26: 91.

    Schneider Children?s Hospital in New Hyde Park, N.Y

    This study was conducted on overweight children aged 12 to 18. They
    were between 20 and 100 pounds overweight. The children were split
    into two groups. One group ate a conventional low-fat, carbohydrate
    based "slimming" diet composed of whole grains, fruits and vegetables
    with fat-free dairy products, low-fat meats, poultry and fish. Their
    total intake was limited to 1,100 calories per day. The other group
    ate a high-fat, low-carb diet in which they were allowed to eat as
    many calories as they wanted in the form of untrimmed meat, cheese,
    eggs, poultry and fish. Their carbohydrates came from two salads a day
    and minimal other carbs.
    RESULTS Despite consuming on average 66% more calories per day, after
    12 weeks the children consuming the low-carbohydrate diet lost more
    weight than those following the low-fat, high-carb plan:
    Low-carb Low-fat
    Calorie intake 1830 1100
    Weight loss 19 lbs 8.5 lbs
    HDL Increased Decreased
    Triglycerides -52% -10%

    As high-protein/fat diets are thought to have adverse effects on
    kidneys and liver, kidney and liver functions were regularly
    monitored. They were found to be unaffected by this diet.

    COMMENT: Six to twelve months later, most of the low-carb dieters had
    maintained their new lower weight. This study provides additional
    evidence for the efficacy of a low-carb weight loss programme
    specifically for the most vulnerable group ? teenagers.

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    I am, personally, skeptical about glycemic index as a useful concept.

    It depends if you are diabetic or not 😉 Though I do agree it's only
    informative. It depends a lot on the whole composition of the meal, not of
    individual items. But it has a great educative value, and some true
    surprises (like, chocolate being rather low or industrial mashed potatoes
    being higher than sugar).
    Actually, I think the interresting part of GI is *what* can change the GI of
    a given food item (fats, proteins, acidity...). Like, the fact that acidity
    can lower GI dramatically, hence sourdough can be an alternative to
    wholewheat bread. What is also very interresting is looking at traditionnal
    cooking using that knowledge. Many traditionnal recipes are actually the
    best way to lower the GI of the food. Just have a look at Spanish paella :
    rice cooked in fat by absoption (= "al dente"😉 along with proteins, fibers
    and some lemon juice. Likewise, a good Indian curry *requires* an acid base
    and some fat. France cooked beans in fat (duck fat, lard). There are many
    similar recipes.

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