Re: Nuke 'Em Again!!

In article <[email hidden]>,

Ryan Case said:

WillBrink said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Ryan Case said:

WillBrink wrote:

>In article <[email hidden]>, Dally <[email hidden]>
>wrote:
>
>
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>>How's that?
>
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>Terrible and estrogen filled. If I was told by the doc tests showed the
>kid was going to come out with DS, I would go in there myself with a
>spoon and terminate it.
>

As the parent of a special needs child I can say without doubt that you
just destroyed any respect I had for you.

Your personal experience is irrelevant. It's great you love your special
needs kid, but given the choice, I would want the option to terminate,
and if they were not already in this world, I would want to save them
and I the heartbreak of such afflictions.

Hmmm. I am sure that if I had the time and desire I could come up with a
pretty convincing argument comparing the pains and benefits of raising
such a child with the pains and benefits of working out/lifting weights.

And I would have no problems countering such an odd comparison. I have
much respect for people who give all they have to raising a DS kid.
Bottom line however is it's not what you or anyone else wished for or
hoped for, but what you got. People should have the choice to decide if
that's what they want vs having it forced on them by right to life born
again Hitlers that have taken over large parts of the government at this
time.

Quoted message said:

But I have work to do.

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

In article <[email hidden]>, Dally <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

David said:

"Dally" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Ryan Case wrote:

>WillBrink wrote:

>As the parent of a special needs child I can say without doubt that you
>just destroyed any respect I had for you.

There is much to respect about Will. His family values just aren't on
that list.

If you find that list, can you publish it for us?

1. He likes colors with more than one word in the name.

2. He knows a thing or two about testosterone.

3. He is liberal enough to survive unscathed in MA.

4. He can hang out with strippers without wanting to sleep with [most
of] them.

There's probably more, but that's what comes to mind.

(5) I leave a snail trail in the sand when i walk down the nude beach.

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

In article <[email hidden]>,

Ryan Case said:

WillBrink said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Ryan Case said:

WillBrink wrote:

>In article <[email hidden]>, Dally <[email hidden]>
>wrote:
>
>
>
>>How's that?
>
>
>Terrible and estrogen filled. If I was told by the doc tests showed the
>kid was going to come out with DS, I would go in there myself with a
>spoon and terminate it.
>

As the parent of a special needs child I can say without doubt that you
just destroyed any respect I had for you.

Your personal experience is irrelevant. It's great you love your special
needs kid, but given the choice, I would want the option to terminate,
and if they were not already in this world, I would want to save them
and I the heartbreak of such afflictions.

Hmmm. I am sure that if I had the time and desire I could come up with a
pretty convincing argument comparing the pains and benefits of raising
such a child with the pains and benefits of working out/lifting weights.

But I have work to do.

I've officiated in many Special O powerlifting competitions. Whatever
Will thinks he might have in terms of 'heartbreak' I've seen far more
joy and fun in the special O competition (with numerous DS entrants)
than a comparable normal population meet. I suspect based on that
limited exposure that you would be depriving the DS child from a life of
joy rather than a life of heartbreak.

I have two healthy children and I'm very thankful for that. But that is
simply selfishness on my own part.

--
Keith

In article <[email hidden]>,

Ryan Case said:

WillBrink said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Ryan Case said:

WillBrink wrote:

>In article <[email hidden]>, Dally <[email hidden]>
>wrote:
>
>
>
>>How's that?
>
>
>Terrible and estrogen filled. If I was told by the doc tests showed the
>kid was going to come out with DS, I would go in there myself with a
>spoon and terminate it.
>

As the parent of a special needs child I can say without doubt that you
just destroyed any respect I had for you.

Your personal experience is irrelevant. It's great you love your special
needs kid, but given the choice, I would want the option to terminate,
and if they were not already in this world, I would want to save them
and I the heartbreak of such afflictions.

Hmmm. I am sure that if I had the time and desire I could come up with a
pretty convincing argument comparing the pains and benefits of raising
such a child with the pains and benefits of working out/lifting weights.

But I have work to do.

I've officiated in many Special O powerlifting competitions. Whatever
Will thinks he might have in terms of 'heartbreak' I've seen far more
joy and fun in the special O competition (with numerous DS entrants)
than a comparable normal population meet. I suspect based on that
limited exposure that you would be depriving the DS child from a life of
joy rather than a life of heartbreak.

I have two healthy children and I'm very thankful for that. But that is
simply selfishness on my own part.

--
Keith

On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 15:41:40 -0600, Hobbes <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I've officiated in many Special O powerlifting competitions. Whatever
Will thinks he might have in terms of 'heartbreak' I've seen far more
joy and fun in the special O competition (with numerous DS entrants)
than a comparable normal population meet. I suspect based on that
limited exposure that you would be depriving the DS child from a life of
joy rather than a life of heartbreak.

Well lets remember, you see the best of the disabled, while Wilbur
sees the worse.

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."
S**t list: Charlie Bendahoe, TBR imposter

On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 15:41:40 -0600, Hobbes <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I've officiated in many Special O powerlifting competitions. Whatever
Will thinks he might have in terms of 'heartbreak' I've seen far more
joy and fun in the special O competition (with numerous DS entrants)
than a comparable normal population meet. I suspect based on that
limited exposure that you would be depriving the DS child from a life of
joy rather than a life of heartbreak.

Well lets remember, you see the best of the disabled, while Wilbur
sees the worse.

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."
S**t list: Charlie Bendahoe, TBR imposter

In article <[email hidden]>,

The Bill Rodgers said:

On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 15:41:40 -0600, Hobbes <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I've officiated in many Special O powerlifting competitions. Whatever
Will thinks he might have in terms of 'heartbreak' I've seen far more
joy and fun in the special O competition (with numerous DS entrants)
than a comparable normal population meet. I suspect based on that
limited exposure that you would be depriving the DS child from a life of
joy rather than a life of heartbreak.

Well lets remember, you see the best of the disabled, while Wilbur
sees the worse.

I added my last comment (snipped here) because I understand Will's point
that most parents want healthy, normal children.

--
Keith

In article <[email hidden]>,

The Bill Rodgers said:

On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 15:41:40 -0600, Hobbes <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I've officiated in many Special O powerlifting competitions. Whatever
Will thinks he might have in terms of 'heartbreak' I've seen far more
joy and fun in the special O competition (with numerous DS entrants)
than a comparable normal population meet. I suspect based on that
limited exposure that you would be depriving the DS child from a life of
joy rather than a life of heartbreak.

Well lets remember, you see the best of the disabled, while Wilbur
sees the worse.

I added my last comment (snipped here) because I understand Will's point
that most parents want healthy, normal children.

--
Keith

On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 15:52:23 -0600, Hobbes <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I added my last comment (snipped here) because I understand Will's point
that most parents want healthy, normal children.

Did you think Willbur needed to say that? Isn't it self-evident? Ever
hear a couple say "boy O boy, I sure hope we have a severely disabled
kid, instead of a healthy one"?

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."
S**t list: Charlie Bendahoe, TBR imposter

On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 15:52:23 -0600, Hobbes <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I added my last comment (snipped here) because I understand Will's point
that most parents want healthy, normal children.

Did you think Willbur needed to say that? Isn't it self-evident? Ever
hear a couple say "boy O boy, I sure hope we have a severely disabled
kid, instead of a healthy one"?

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."
S**t list: Charlie Bendahoe, TBR imposter

In article <[email hidden]>,

Hobbes said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

The Bill Rodgers said:

On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 15:41:40 -0600, Hobbes <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I've officiated in many Special O powerlifting competitions. Whatever
Will thinks he might have in terms of 'heartbreak' I've seen far more
joy and fun in the special O competition (with numerous DS entrants)
than a comparable normal population meet. I suspect based on that
limited exposure that you would be depriving the DS child from a life of
joy rather than a life of heartbreak.

Well lets remember, you see the best of the disabled, while Wilbur
sees the worse.

I added my last comment (snipped here) because I understand Will's point
that most parents want healthy, normal children.

Bottom line here is, if a cure pops up no one will refuse it. No parent
givin the choice would chose to have the SD child if such a choice
existed. People make the best of the situation and love the kid, but no
one would choose it.

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

In article <[email hidden]>,

The Bill Rodgers said:

WillBrink said:

You mean like those MA gun laws you claimed didn't exist and I found in
10 seconds of searching "Bill"?

WTF are you talking about idiot?

Perhaps it was yet another idiot who starts his name with "the Bill."

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

In article <[email hidden]>,

The Bill Rodgers said:

WillBrink said:

You mean like those MA gun laws you claimed didn't exist and I found in
10 seconds of searching "Bill"?

WTF are you talking about idiot? I never mentioned "gun laws"

It appears not only are you retarded, your memory for the stupid [censored]
you spout is poor:

"Wrong. Massachusetts for one, has no self defense statue." stated by
you. You were then corrected and ran off back down your hole where you
now stay.

Keep up the good work.

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

"WillBrink" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Dally said:

WillBrink said:

Dally <[email hidden]> wrote:
>How's that?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Terrible and estrogen filled.

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Quoted message said:

Succinct and descriptive (of the author as well as the text.)

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Succinct and descriptive = estrogen filled dribble to the reader.

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If I was told by the doc tests showed the
kid was going to come out with DS, I would go in there myself with a
spoon and terminate it.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Yeah, probably, but wouldn't you want to be in there with a spoon
terminating ANY pregnancy?

Quoted message said:

Hmmm, you have a point there....

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It's okay to HOPE for a stellar example of our genes being expressed,
but if you want kids, really really want kids, you take what you get.

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Thus why I don't have kids. Might get stuck with a girl....

That's why obstetricians smack babies on the butt when they're born.

Knocks the [censored] off the stupid ones.

David

On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 16:22:38 -0400, WillBrink
<[email hidden]> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Ryan Case said:

WillBrink said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Dally <[email hidden]>
wrote:

>How's that?

Terrible and estrogen filled. If I was told by the doc tests showed the
kid was going to come out with DS, I would go in there myself with a
spoon and terminate it.

As the parent of a special needs child I can say without doubt that you
just destroyed any respect I had for you.

Your personal experience is irrelevant. It's great you love your special
needs kid, but given the choice, I would want the option to terminate,
and if they were not already in this world, I would want to save them
and I the heartbreak of such afflictions.

Heartbreak? I've never heard of a parent referring to the life of a
developmentally disabled child as heartbreaking. But, I'm sure that's
the case for parents of perfectly abled children who turn out like
Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacey.

WillBrink said:

Perhaps it was yet another idiot who starts his name with "the Bill."

indeed

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."
S**t list: Charlie Bendahoe, TBR imposter

WillBrink said:

It appears not only are you retarded, your memory for the stupid [censored]
you spout is poor:

"Wrong. Massachusetts for one, has no self defense statue." stated by
you. You were then corrected and ran off back down your hole where you
now stay.

Keep up the good work.

No, you fell right into my trap. You claimed I commented on a gun law,
the self defense statute has nothing to do with guns.
You are a moron.

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."
S**t list: Charlie Bendahoe, TBR imposter

John Hanson said:

Heartbreak? I've never heard of a parent referring to the life of a
developmentally disabled child as heartbreaking. But, I'm sure that's
the case for parents of perfectly abled children who turn out like
Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacey.

Well what did they say about you while you rode the short bus to
school?

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."
S**t list: Charlie Bendahoe, TBR imposter

John Hanson said:

Heartbreak? I've never heard of a parent referring to the life of a
developmentally disabled child as heartbreaking. But, I'm sure that's
the case for parents of perfectly abled children who turn out like
Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacey.

Well what did they say about you while you rode the short bus to
school?

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."
S**t list: Charlie Bendahoe, TBR imposter

WillBrink said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Ryan Case said:

WillBrink said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
Ryan Case <[email hidden]> wrote:

>WillBrink wrote:
>
>
>
>>In article <[email hidden]>, Dally <[email hidden]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>How's that?
>>
>>
>>Terrible and estrogen filled. If I was told by the doc tests showed the
>>kid was going to come out with DS, I would go in there myself with a
>>spoon and terminate it.
>>
>
>
>As the parent of a special needs child I can say without doubt that you
>just destroyed any respect I had for you.
>

Your personal experience is irrelevant. It's great you love your special
needs kid, but given the choice, I would want the option to terminate,
and if they were not already in this world, I would want to save them
and I the heartbreak of such afflictions.

Hmmm. I am sure that if I had the time and desire I could come up with a
pretty convincing argument comparing the pains and benefits of raising
such a child with the pains and benefits of working out/lifting weights.

And I would have no problems countering such an odd comparison. I have
much respect for people who give all they have to raising a DS kid.

I want to make sure that I don't misrepresent myself here. My son is not
DS. He is Hemipalegic (sp).

Quoted message said:

Bottom line however is it's not what you or anyone else wished for or
hoped for, but what you got.

Careful there. My wife and I skipped the tests that could have told us
whether or not our son had certain hereditary problems as it didn't
matter to us. When we chose to have a child we chose to love whoever and
whatever we were given. (I could include some faith based reasoning, but
I don't want to stir up the aetheist jews.)

I will tell you that I have never felt like my son was "what I got".
That is quite obviously an outside perspective of someone who looks at
children with physical/mental differences like a parting gift for the
parents that didn't win.

Do you have *any* children?

Oh, and having the tests wouldn't have done any good. Just from an
informational standpoint. It was an compatability issue between my 5'6"
wife and my 10.5lb (at birth) son. He ended up constricting the
umbylical (sp) cord in the last week causing a hypoxic episode, causing
a stroke, causing kidney failure, causing liver failure, causing
respitory failure, causing adrenal gland failure.....Stupid doctor kept
saying, "oh, he'll be an average 7~8lb baby." If anyone should be
terminated it should be him for being lax.

Quoted message said:

People should have the choice to decide if
that's what they want vs having it forced on them by right to life born
again Hitlers that have taken over large parts of the government at this
time.

I don't disagree that people should have a choice. People should be free
to make the wrong choices. I just see what you forsee as your choice in
that situation as the wrong one. And a very selfish one at that. And yes
I agree that there is a movement in our country to let a group of libral
"do gooders" try to make everyone's decisions for them. And yes I think
that it is wrong.

And for the same reasons that people should be allowed to make the wrong
choices, I should be allowed to try and make them see why I think that
it is the wrong choice.

I would like the opportunity, if you will let me, to retract my former
comment concerning respect for you. It was a knee jerk reaction, based
on emotions from my own life experiences. I have been lurking here on
and off for the better part of five years and have found you to be one
of the better regulars. In fact, I get your newsletter etc.

I would like to strongly encourage you to find someone that you know who
has a special needs child and spend some time with them. In fact spend a
lot of time with them. Then reconsider your stance on this. If you were
in my neck of the woods I would gladly have you out to meet my son. (He
turns two on Sunday).

It makes me sick to think that such a loving, joyful, happy little boy
could have not had the chance to touch the people that he has, becuase a
parent could have terminated him due to *complications*.

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Ryan Case