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Re: Nobody knows about RR

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  1. Conti doesn't know anything about RR...until/unless they have something
    new to sell.

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech/?id=2005/features/conti_tech

    This article (really an ad for new Conti 25mm tubs with a Vectran
    anti-puncture belt) actually has a little discussion of RR vs.
    aerodynamics plus a nice visualization of contact patches for fat vs
    narrow tires.

    JLS

  2. James Scott said:

    Conti doesn't know anything about RR...until/unless they have something
    new to sell.

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech/?id=2005/features/conti_tech

    This article (really an ad for new Conti 25mm tubs with a Vectran
    anti-puncture belt) actually has a little discussion of RR vs.
    aerodynamics plus a nice visualization of contact patches for fat vs
    narrow tires.

    JLS

    Dear James,

    That's an interesting article--thanks.

    I notice that the second graph comparing the 19mm, 22mm, and
    25mm tires shows a dramatic 40% rolling-resistance drop,
    from 0.60 down to 0.36 for the widest tire.

    But that's with all three tires inflated to the same 8.5 bar
    pressure, which is around 123 psi. I think that Sheldon
    Brown would argue quite plausibly that few riders use the
    same inflation for 19mm and 25mm tires, which rarely have
    the same real limits, anyway. Darned few pros are using 125
    psi on long tours.

    I also notice that the bottom graph is a bit misleading. It
    shows that less power is needed for the thinner, more
    aerodynamic tire at 50 km/h, which is probably true.

    But few of us cruise for long at 31 mph.

    And the graph gives the impression that the 19mm tire
    requires less than 50% as much power by showing only the
    very end of the two bars. The numbers, however, show that
    the thinner tire actually requires about 95% as much power,
    something like 374 watts vs. 392.5 watts.

    The contact patch diagrams are nice, but I end up wondering
    if they're ignoring something practical.

    In a pure, idealized rolling-resistance test on a smooth
    drum, the rounder contact patch of the fatter tire reduces
    sidewall flexing and rolling resistance.

    But on a real-world surface with irregularities, the longer,
    skinnier contact patch of the thinner tire should bounce and
    pitch less for the same reason that a longer ski or
    wood-plane (or tandem) follows a gentler path--and the
    gentler path reduces real-world rolling resistance.

    Carl Fogel

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