Quoted message said:From: Orac [email hidden]
Date: 7/29/2003 2:11 PM Pacific Standard Time
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Quoted message said:Ah, yes, the very, VERY old gambit of the pseudoscientist of implying
that, because "conventional science" or "conventional experts" once
laughed at ideas that were ultimately proven to be correct, it must mean
that the pseudoscientific idea being described, although laughed at now
by "conventional scientists" and
"experts," must also be correct.
*Implying*
Nope. PROVEN.
Quoted message said:Really, you need to come up with something more original.
Uh huh.
You got the point.
Quoted message said:Here's the problem, Jan:
I know what the problem is, the debunkers here are doing the exact denial bit
as in the past.
Quoted message said:all the scientific experimentation done to
study it as a potential therapy for atherosclerotic heart disease has
shown that it does not work for that particular disease
Wrong, as you have been shown.
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in Space", Nature, March 14, 1936
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1977
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