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Re: multi-vitamins

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  1. "You seem to be quite fond of flax seed... Do you think you need it
    for the Omegas?"

    I include it because so many vegetarians consider it vital as a
    source of omega-3. I personally don't use it, and consider it greatly
    over-rated because we can convert so little of its short-chain
    omega-3 to the long-chains used in our brains. I derate short-chain
    by a factor of ten to allow for this, but some studies seem to show
    that derating by as much as 25 might be warranted.

    "By the way, I see you like an omega6/3 ratio of four"

    The brain evolutionists claim 1:1 was what our brains evolved on,
    while lots of North Americans seem to be doing OK on 20:1. I use 4:1
    as a very rough compromise, nothing more.

    "If you *really* need to supplement a vitamin or a mineral, then
    supplement it separately and use the good stuff. If you don't need,
    just don't bother at all. Right?"

    IMHO, right (but please note that I'm not formally trained in
    medicine or nutrition).

    "Have you considered the vitamin losses in food storage and cooking,
    and in industrial foods?"

    Yes. First, the USDA says their unprocessed foods were bought at
    regular retail outlets. They present matching data on many foods both
    raw and cooked - I use their 'cooked' data whenever I cook a food. I
    watch my food storage conditions and duration. I almost never eat
    'industrial' foods except when visiting other people.

    "how easy is it to have a healthy diet?"

    I think it's easy! But, it greatly depends on whether or not you &/or
    your family are hooked on over-processed foods with their gobs of
    salt, sugar and oils. Basically, find a good fresh fruit&veg store,
    prepare your own food as opposed to buying 'instant', and the period
    of adjustment should be short.

  2. On 29 May 2005 23:03:53 GMT, John Sankey wrote in
    <news:[email hidden]> on sci.med.nutrition :

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "You seem to be quite fond of flax seed... Do you think you need it
    for the Omegas?"

    I include it because so many vegetarians consider it vital as a
    source of omega-3. I personally don't use it, and consider it greatly
    over-rated because we can convert so little of its short-chain
    omega-3 to the long-chains used in our brains. I derate short-chain
    by a factor of ten to allow for this,

    That makes sense to me 🙂

    Quoted message said:

    but some studies seem to show
    that derating by as much as 25 might be warranted.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "By the way, I see you like an omega6/3 ratio of four"

    The brain evolutionists claim 1:1 was what our brains evolved on,
    while lots of North Americans seem to be doing OK on 20:1. I use 4:1
    as a very rough compromise, nothing more.

    Ok.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "If you *really* need to supplement a vitamin or a mineral, then
    supplement it separately and use the good stuff. If you don't need,
    just don't bother at all. Right?"

    IMHO, right (but please note that I'm not formally trained in
    medicine or nutrition).

    According to "Linus Pauling" a much higher intake of vit C is recommendend
    than in ordinary diets, though...
    What do you reckon?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "Have you considered the vitamin losses in food storage and cooking,
    and in industrial foods?"

    Yes. First, the USDA says their unprocessed foods were bought at
    regular retail outlets.

    Ok... would you allow some extra losses for home storage, washing,
    freezing, cooking in too much water, overcooking, reheating, and so on...?
    🙂

    Quoted message said:

    They present matching data on many foods both
    raw and cooked - I use their 'cooked' data whenever I cook a food.

    The problem is... people don't usually know the weight of their food
    *after* cooking...! 🙂

    Quoted message said:

    I
    watch my food storage conditions and duration. I almost never eat
    'industrial' foods except when visiting other people.

    Ok. I avoid highly processed foods as well. 🙂

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "how easy is it to have a healthy diet?"

    I think it's easy! But, it greatly depends on whether or not you &/or
    your family are hooked on over-processed foods with their gobs of
    salt, sugar and oils. Basically, find a good fresh fruit&veg store,
    prepare your own food as opposed to buying 'instant', and the period
    of adjustment should be short.

    Agreed.
    Yet, lots of people do buy 'instant' foods because they are faster/easier/
    the-only-stuff-in-the-store 😉
    And lots of people just *have to* eat out every day...

    --
    Enrico C
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