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Re: More U.S. Children Vaccinated Than Ever

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  1. Quoted message said:

    Vaccinated Than Ever
    From: [email hidden] (David Wright)
    Date: 8/3/2003 12:33 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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    Quoted message said:

    That's the AMA, JG. I was looking for something coming from, let's
    say, Merck. And please don't respond that the AMA is merely acting in
    the service of the drug companies unless you have evidence.

    There is PLENTY of evidence.

    In 2000, the drug manufacturing industry spent $15.7 billion promoting drugs,
    with $5 billion -- or 33 percent of all promotional dollars -- spent on
    promoting products to doctors, according to the American Medical Association.

    Pharmaceutical companies spend more than $11 billion each year to promote and
    market drugs -- an estimated $8,000-$13,000 per physician per year. This money
    is often spent on free samples for physicians to hand out to their neediest
    patients, but is also given in the form of meals and entertainment.

    A recent study done by the Kaiser Family Foundation, a non-profit health
    research organization, found that a majority of physicians reported they have
    been given meals, tickets to events or free travel for either seeing
    pharmaceutical sales reps or using their products.

    Lashing Back at Drug Companies

    Sunday, July 27, 2003; Page B06

    Robert D. Novak [op-ed, July 17] raised the specter that drug companies will be
    deprived of research funding that "scored victories over heart disease,
    diabetes, cancer, polio and other maladies" if the law about importing drugs is
    changed.

    But Americans have had enough of drug price gouging, and the drug companies are
    not the only players responsible for wonder drugs and cures. Drug and medical
    research is a public-private partnership from which all should benefit fairly,
    not just the pill-pushers.

    For example, Jonas Salk's breakthrough polio vaccine research was funded from
    public contributions to the March of Dimes. Each year the public contributes
    billions to help find cures for cancer, heart disease, diabetes and other
    diseases. The American Heart Association and the American Cancer Society
    collect yearly about half a billion dollars each in contributions, a
    significant purpose of which is to fund research. Additional billions in public
    monies are spent on medical and pharmaceutical research through the federal
    budget funding of the National Institutes of Health and other agencies.

    In addition, while the drug companies trot out the shibboleth that they need
    high prices to continue to fund high levels of research, the public is
    realizing that these companies spend a great deal on promotional and marketing
    activities -- including, presumably, the massive campaign contributions to
    Congress.

    It's not difficult to understand why the public resents the drug companies when
    prices in the United States for critical medicines are often two, three or four
    times higher than the prices for the same medicines, made by the same
    companies, sold in Canada, Mexico and other countries.

  2. (Jan) said:

    There is PLENTY of evidence.

    In 2000, the drug manufacturing industry spent $15.7 billion promoting drugs,
    with $5 billion -- or 33 percent of all promotional dollars -- spent on
    promoting products to doctors, according to the American Medical Association.

    I believe the topic of this thread is "More U.S. Children Vaccinated
    Than Ever". As this is about vaccination, the figure of $15.7 billion
    dollars seems to be irrelevant, as total world sales of vaccines in
    that year amounted to less then $6 billion. It is no wonder that big
    pharma is so unprofitable if they spend three times the sales income
    on bribing doctors and an additional six times this amount on other
    promotional activities.

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  3. In said:
    Quoted message said:

    Vaccinated Than Ever
    From: [email hidden] (David Wright)
    Date: 8/3/2003 12:33 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    That's the AMA, JG. I was looking for something coming from, let's
    say, Merck. And please don't respond that the AMA is merely acting in
    the service of the drug companies unless you have evidence.

    There is PLENTY of evidence.

    None of what follows mentions a single dime going to the
    AMA, nor any money whatever going to promote vaccines.

    What a surprise -- Jan lies again.

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  4. (Jan) said:

    In 2000, the drug manufacturing industry spent $15.7 billion promoting drugs,
    with $5 billion -- or 33 percent of all promotional dollars -- spent on
    promoting products to doctors, according to the American Medical Association.

    And how much money does SeaSilver, all those weight-loss
    supplements, etc. spend on advertising?

    Tsu

    --
    To doubt everything or to believe everything
    are two equally convenient solutions; both
    dispense with the necessity of reflection.
    - Jules Henri Poincaré

  5. D. C. Sessions said:
    In said:
    Quoted message said:

    Vaccinated Than Ever
    From: [email hidden] (David Wright)
    Date: 8/3/2003 12:33 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    That's the AMA, JG. I was looking for something coming from, let's
    say, Merck. And please don't respond that the AMA is merely acting in
    the service of the drug companies unless you have evidence.

    There is PLENTY of evidence.

    None of what follows mentions a single dime going to the
    AMA, nor any money whatever going to promote vaccines.

    What a surprise -- Jan lies again.

    Either that, or she does not bother to read/understand the websites she
    posts, or both.

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