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Re: Medical Scientism Threatens Physicians

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  1. "Peter Moran" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:...

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    Do you know that in some clinical trials fifty per cent of the subjects


    have

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    "responded" to placebo? This means that in that particular context the
    opinion of the practitioner as to his treatment having a true effect in


    any

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    individual patient will be wrong fifty per cent of the time.

    I'm wrong. Actually it is a lot worse than that. I never was much good
    at statistical thought. What this really means is that any treatment at
    all can appear to "work" often enough to convince a practitioner that is
    inclined to believe so.

    Thus what we find in practice are very numerous false claims of authentic
    treatment effect for every one that is likely to be, or actually shown to
    be, more than a placebo-related influence (which includes spontaneous
    fluctuations for present purposes). Placebo effects, along with other
    properties of clinical practice such the patient subordination described in
    the prior post, can make just about anything look like an effective
    treatment for things like anxiety, mild pain relief, allergies etc.

    So what is the true likelihood of such a claim being true, just on a
    practitioner's say-so? It is actually very low.

    Peter Moran

  2. It appears that this is not a real word.

    http://www.dict.org

    No definitions found for "scientism", perhaps you mean:

    web1913: Scientist
    wn: scientist

    What does this mean ?
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    Take out the G'RBAGE to reply
    [email hidden]

  3. "Peter Moran" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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    "Peter Moran" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:...

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    I'm wrong. Actually it is a lot worse than that. I never was much good
    at statistical thought. What this really means is that any treatment at
    all can appear to "work" often enough to convince a practitioner that is
    inclined to believe so.

    UNLESS OF COURSE YOUR FIELD OF EXPERTISE IS CHIROPRACTIC.


    You see, very often these days, your patient has no medical benefit
    for chiropractic care and is paying for his or her care from their
    pocket. Therefor your care and it's results MUST be on the money AND
    according to every survey on the planet is.... whether it be for
    allergies back pain migraines beddwetting or the like...Our expertise
    on the principles of wellness are far beyond what most MD's minds can
    ever conceptualize

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