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Re: markd's "standard guidelines for verity set in this group"

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  1. He who invented the "standard" continues to do so, and revise as finds
    fits his needs. He invented it when he could not provide any scientific
    support for some of his claims and when research support was found and
    presented to him that undercut his claims. After bing at the wrong end of
    that process he started to claim that science, all scinence, was suspect
    and that any that contridicted his unsupported claims was a fraud and the
    results really didn't contridict his unsupported claims. By this process
    he invented the standard, if some research was supported by some group it
    should be tossed. My reminder to him of this from time to time is just a
    bit of chain yanking to make the point, when hen he finds it convient to
    present info based on support from industry but in favor of his ideas.
    His attempt to take some "higher" ground on the question is a source of
    some amusement to me, especially now when he finds science to his liking
    because, finally, some real research outside of diet book is now being
    done on low carb and the whole question of macro sources and weight
    status. The point all along is that the quality of the research must
    always be found in itself, unless fraud can be shown.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Ah, he who "invented" the standard for verity now revises it.

    [censored]. You are the one who "invented" the so-called standard. I am
    trying to explain to you the difference between transparency and
    opacity in the area of professional ethics and integrity.

    Here is how it works.

    Scientific authors are supposed to declare their conflicts of
    interest, period. Once done, one can take that information and keep it
    in mind as one peruses the study presented. That is called
    transparency. It keeps everyone honest. It allows you to see the study
    in the right light and with appropriate critical judgement.

    If a studies authors fail to declare any financial interests, then one
    is left to believe that they are without conflicts of interest. This
    is misleading the reader. It is also patently dishonest,
    unprofessional, and shows a fundamental lack on integrity. One is
    incapable of evaluating the science in the appropriate light with the
    appropriate critical judgement.

    Being that 70 to 80% of all research is funded by industry, it is of
    critical importance that we know this information. Do you not
    understand that simple concept?

    TC

  2. On 16 Nov 2004 16:28:14 GMT, [email hidden] wrote:

    /snip/

    Quoted message said:

    The point all along is that the quality of the research must
    always be found in itself, unless fraud can be shown.

    I haven't been following the current discussion/s, and I do very much
    appreciate your posts.

    But I wonder how practical it is, on forums like this, to completely ignore
    possible bias in sources. For example, I saw a long list of studies of a
    certain controversial sweetener, giving alleged sources of their funding.
    Are we to take this list at face value, or consider the source the list came
    from?

    Skinny

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