Re: Looking for backspin tips



duaner wrote:
> *(bump)
>
> Someone must be able to describe the backspin, please.
> What are the crank positions?
> Or could anyone post/find a video clip? *



I find when I do a backspin, that I start with my strong foot forward,
and as I start the action/reaction turn, I push my strong foot so that
it is straight down, and moves a little to the back. Then when I start
in backwards I push my strong foot down again to begin the backwards
motion.

I practiced by starting doing an exaggerated turn where you do a smooth
90 degree turn to stop, then pull backwards out of it to get the other
90 degrees. As you get better the turn gets smaller and smaller until
you can do the spin.


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joshp wrote:
> *I practiced by starting doing an exaggerated turn where you do a
> smooth 90 degree turn to stop, then pull backwards out of it to get
> the other 90 degrees. As you get better the turn gets smaller and
> smaller until you can do the spin. *

kewl!
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I have been having a little success by doing what joshp said. For
example I lead into the spin/turn with my right foot while pedaling down
into the spin, then use the same foot to start pedaling backwards.

Best I have done is more like doing an 90 degree turn in and out of the
move. So I am going about a foot to the side to complete the "spin".
I've seen videos of freestylers spinning and staying almost in a
straight line. To me, that is a true spin.

Thanks for your input folks.

I've seen a post that was looking for a collection of videos showing the
different moves. That would be great! I've seen great sites for
footbag and for juggling that do this well. They offer the clips in
real time and slo motion. Great teaching aid.

I'm sure this type of a site would take a massive amount of time and
energy.

Bill


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i can backspin pretty well, as i am nearing completion of level 6.
when i backspin,(which is a little less smooth than my frontspin) i slow
down while riding forwards. when my cranks are in the cranks level
position( for me right foot forward) i stand up a little bit, lean back,
and lock my legs, using my arms to provide rotation. this ends up with
me rotating 180 smoothly while my momentum from riding transfers. by the
time i have rotated, the momentum is forward, and i am facing backwards,
which i ride out of. i think this is it. if i am doing anything wrong
someone tell me. later. Nick


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joshp wrote:
> *do a smooth 90 degree turn to stop, then pull backwards out of it to
> get the other 90 degrees. As you get better the turn gets smaller and
> smaller until you can do the spin. *

This is where to start. Foot position is not relevant. Regardless of
what previous posters have mentioned, to stop (and switch pedaling
direction) your feet are going to be somewhere in the horizontal range.
You can't help it. If you ride *slow* enough, you can do it with your
feet in the dead spot, but the move only really looks good when there's
some speed and fluidity.

Your object is to get yourself turned around to going in reverse, with
as little upper body movement as possible. In other words, your upper
body should continue in an unbroken straight line. Of course it has to
rotate around.

Start slow, by making a 90 degree turn to the side, followed by a
reverse 90 degree turn to continue in the same direction. The slow
version is like pulling into and out of a tiny parking space. That's
what your wheel is going to do.

Now gradually work it up to faster speeds. Think about your upper body,
and work toward having it continue in an unbroken straight line while
the other stuff happens mostly at the lower body area. As you smooth it
out, the size of your "course deviation" will get smaller, but it will
always be there. It just won't look like it, because your upper body
keeps a straight line.

To do any trick well, it should look smooth and effortless. Unless it's
not a smooth-moving trick. You'll know you've got the backspin where you
want it when it *feels* smooth. Then work on the frontspin.

I watch the younger and beginner riders do backspins in their Standard
Skill competition routines. Ouch. Those aren't really backspins. But
there is no speed requirement, so pulling into and out of a parking
space is technically acceptable.


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If I a not mistaken joshp is a Pittsburgh rider. I will be in Pittsburgh
next Friday and plan to ride with the Pitt. Campus Fools.

http://www.pitt.edu/~sorc/cfools/index/main.htm

Probably 6-8 pm

Billham you are more than welcome to join the party.

john_childs posted this link a while back with some nice freestyle
videos.

http://www.unicyclist.com/gallery/JapaneseFreestyle

Possibly if you can step through the frames you can get some good spin
breakdown. They aren't the best quality, but still really inspirational,
I love sin02h_1, especially the backwards piruette followed by the
sitting gliding spin, WOW. I was also rewatching some of UNICON11
recently.... Irene does some great one-footed front and back spins, WOW
again, maybe if I am unlame I will post those videos, unless anyone else
has some really good quality freestyle videos, all of mine are painfully
grainy...

I do have my two favorites from UNICON up, the robot was of course the
freestyle champ. If I post anything else this is where it will be:

http://tinyurl.com/3c4q4

Hope that helps and look forward to maybe seeing you in Pittsburgh!

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zia

Unfortunately I am busy next Friday or I would show up for the Campus
RFools and to meet you. I have the pleasure of supervising a French
engineering student who did an internship where I work. That Friday
night we are having a going away party. Missing it is NOT an option.

I have ridden several times with Mike Carroll and plan on making it to
the Pitt gathering sometime.

Those Japanese freestyle videos are amazing. They are the first
freestyle routines I have ever seen and I loved the fluid, dance style
movements.

joshp - if you are in Pittsburgh area, post a reply in this thread. I
don't check my personal email for this forum very often. I am always
interested in riding with others.

John F - thanks for the advice. I am appreciative of your experience
and willingness to spend time on line to help others learn the sport.

Bill


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Maybe if Mike is interested we can all get together for some Muni over
the weekend then. I bet we could get a good Pittsburgh crew together,
I only wish Boston had as many enthusiastic riders.

Will start new thread soon.

Zia


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Billham, I'll show you mine in a couple of weeks. That way, you can see
a "backspin" in person. --chirokid--


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On Thu, 8 Apr 2004 01:48:09 -0500, "duaner" wrote:

>Or could anyon post/find a video clip?


As if the Japanese videos are not enough, the video linked at the
bottom of <http://www.xs4all.nl/~klaasbil/sem_teresa.htm> shows Teresa
Abrahams doing a backspin.

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On Thu, 8 Apr 2004 11:24:39 -0500, "billham" wrote:

>I've seen a post that was looking for a collection of videos showing the
>different moves. That would be great! I've seen great sites for
>footbag and for juggling that do this well. They offer the clips in
>real time and slo motion. Great teaching aid.


This Korean site shows many skills, from very basic to not so basic,
in a nice organised fashion:

<http://www.unicycle.or.kr>

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billham wrote:
> *zia
>
> joshp - if you are in Pittsburgh area, post a reply in this thread. I
> don't check my personal email for this forum very often. I am always
> interested in riding with others.
>
> Bill *



Yeah, I'm in Pittsburgh. Mike Carroll is the president of the Campus
Fools, so I ride with him all the time. I'll be in Pittsburgh for the
next 2 months, so you'll have to come up some time and we can all go
riding together. If it is this next weekend, (April 17th-18th) then Zia
will be here too!


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chirokid - I'll expect you to teach me every freestyle trick you know
when we meet up in Kentucky. If I can't learn it during the weekend,
I'll blame the teacher! :)

Klaas - nice links to videos - thanks. I haven't been working on the
backspin much recently. This thread has rekindled my interest and hope
in perfecting the move. Thanks to all for your inspiration and help.

joshp and zia - Bummer. As luck would have it, I have plans for
Saturday and Sunday with my family. My whole weekend is planned for
April 16 - 18. I'll make it up to a Friday night session of the Campus
Fools soon and we'll make some plans for some riding.

Bill


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Humm... well I guess I can't edit my post, but I just noticed that one
of the videos I linked to earlier actually has a standing glide
frontspin (or backspin I din't know which is which), but I thought that
was so impressive I wanted you all to know.

sin02h_3.wmv

The link again was

http://www.unicyclist.com/gallery/JapaneseFreestyle

I guess this proves that pedal position is irrelevant, but for my
cadillac parking style turns, I definately have perference. :)


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