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  1. See also this report, which states any elevated testosterone at Stage
    17 would not have affected the outcome.

    No harm, no foul, the NBA rule.

    Landis should keep his medal, period.

    RL

    Tour winner Landis fails doping test

    By Stephen Wilson
    ASSOCIATED PRESS
    July 28, 2006

    LONDON -- Floyd Landis' Tour de France victory was thrown into question
    yesterday when his team said he tested positive for high testosterone
    levels during stage 17, when the American champion began his stunning
    comeback with a charge into the Alps.

    The Swiss-based Phonak team said it was notified by the
    International Cycling Union (UCI) on Wednesday that Landis' sample
    showed an "unusual level of testosterone/epitestosterone" when he was
    tested after stage 17 on July 20.

    "My immediate reaction was to look for the alcohol bottle," joked
    Landis, who is known to enjoy a beer on the Tour and said he drank
    whiskey with teammates to bury their sorrows after Landis nearly fell
    out of contention the day before his stage 17 charge.

    The 30-year-old Landis made a dramatic comeback in that Alpine
    stage, racing far ahead of the field for a solo win that moved him from
    11th to third in the overall standings. Despite a degenerative hip
    condition that will require surgery, he regained the leader's yellow
    jersey two days later.

    Testosterone creams, pills and injections can build muscle and
    strength and improve recovery time after exertion when used over
    several weeks. Testosterone is included as an anabolic steroid by the
    World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) on its list of banned substances. The
    use of supplements can be punished by a two-year ban.

    Under the agency's regulations, a ratio of testosterone to
    epitestosterone greater than 4-to-1 is considered a positive result and
    subject to investigation. The most likely natural ratio of testosterone
    to epitestosterone in humans is 1-to-1.

    However, if Landis had been a user, his earlier urine tests during
    the Tour would have been affected, too, said Dr. Gary Wadler, a WADA
    member and a spokesman for the American College of Sports Medicine. The
    stage 17 test was the first reported abnormal result.

    One-time use of steroids could result in an abnormal test, but it
    would have no effect on performance and could not account for Landis'
    astounding feat in that stage.

    "So something's missing here," Dr. Wadler said. "It just doesn't
    add up."

    Asked repeatedly what might have caused his positive test, Landis
    refused to lay blame on anything in particular.

    "As to what actually caused it on that particular day, I can only
    speculate," he said.
    However, Landis suggested in a story posted on Sports Illustrated's
    Web site that a small amount of hormone he has been taking for a
    thyroid condition or the cortisone shots he gets for hip pain could
    have skewed the result. Doctors, however, said the cortisone would not
    affect his test results.

  2. raylopez99 said:

    See also this report, which states any elevated testosterone at Stage
    17 would not have affected the outcome.

    Dude, nearly nobody in here thinks that it affected the outcome. Many
    say - and I see it the same way - that it's a shame that this amazing
    feat he did might now be forever seen as a sole product of
    pharmaceutics. And that every fat dumbass would just need to take some
    'roids or whatever to fly across the alps with a bike.

    Quoted message said:

    No harm, no foul, the NBA rule.

    Tell that Chris Andersen.

  3. Ernst Noch said:
    raylopez99 said:

    See also this report, which states any elevated testosterone at Stage
    17 would not have affected the outcome.

    Dude, nearly nobody in here thinks that it affected the outcome. Many
    say - and I see it the same way - that it's a shame that this amazing
    feat he did might now be forever seen as a sole product of
    pharmaceutics. And that every fat dumbass would just need to take some
    'roids or whatever to fly across the alps with a bike.

    I agree. But what nearly everybody thinks on this NG counts for
    nothing in the real world. The real world is concerned with having
    families with kids line up and pay money and/or (sorry I live in Europe
    but I haven't gone to a football (soccer) match, track & field, or
    cycling event ever*) feel good about endorsements.

    This familial good will--are you still with me here?--would be eroded
    if a player was a heroin addict, even though heroin is not a peformance
    enhancer.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    No harm, no foul, the NBA rule.

    Tell that [to] Chris Andersen.

    Agreed. Chris should play. We are in violent agreement on this point.

    The good news is that I read in another thread that most T/E blood
    level appeals go the defendant/appealant's way--so Landis should win,
    if he appeals. He has a medical condition, drank alcohol which affects
    the test, tested negative up until Stage 17, and apparently, if a
    certain French article translated on this NG is correct, the machine
    that tested Landis was broke and then hastily repaired (perhaps
    incorrectly).

    RL

    * if anything good comes out of the Landis affair, he will be given his
    medal/trophy/yellow jersey, and track & field and/or cycling will
    become a popular spectator sport in the USA due to the favorable
    negative publicity. Actually in the DC area it was/is somewhat
    popular--track & field that is--and there was even a pro tour of sorts
    for cycling in NYC/DC area many years ago.

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