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Quoted message said:(Jan) said:http://www.100prophecies.org/textonly/love1.htm
Why Christians shouldn't hate
When I was in high school during the early 1980s, I was surprised that so
many
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:of my friends would talk about how much they hated Jews. Every now and
then,
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:one of my friends would say something to the effect of "I wish [censored] had
finished the job." Most of the time, I would keep quiet because I was too
much
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:of a coward to speak out against hatred. Had I been a true Christian, I
would
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:have had no choice but to stand up and speak out against hatred, because
that
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:is what Jesus commanded of us when He said: "So in everything, do to
others
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:what you would have them do to you." So, today, I will do what I should
have
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:done many years ago. I will, to the best of my abilities, speak out
against
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:hatred of the Jews, who have been targeted with unequaled hatred during
the
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:past 4000 years.
And who am I to attempt this? I am nobody. I am not important. I am not
influential. And I am not especially well-educated. But I have read the
Bible.
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:And here are a few things that I found in the Bible which prohibit us
from
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:hating Jews, and prohibit us from hating anyone else:
1. The Jews have a unique status according to the Bible. They were chosen
as
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:the people who would hear and record the words of God, through His
prophets,
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:who were also Jewish. And the Jews have influenced the world with the
scriptures. There are now about 2 billion Christians in the world. In one
form
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:or another, these scriptures have influenced more than half of the people
in
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:the world to abandon pagan worship. The Jews, in this regard, and in many
others, have influenced the world more than any other group of people.2. The Bible declared that the Jews would be scattered throughout the
world
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:(Deuteronomy 28:64) and that they would be a blessing to the world
(Genesis
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:12:2-3). Indeed, the Jews have been scattered to every country in the
world,
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:during the past 2500 years. And this scattering has enabled them to help
reveal
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:to the world the truth revealed in the scriptures, that there is one true
God,
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:and only one true God.
3. God has revealed to us in the Bible that people who persecute the Jews
will
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:be punished. And indeed they have been. The great Assyrian Empire
persecuted
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:the Jews. The great neo-Babylonian Empire persecuted the Jews. The great
Phoenician Empire persecuted the Jews. The great Roman Empire persecuted
the
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:Jews. The powerful Nazi empire persecuted the Jews. And the powerful
Soviet
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:Union persecuted the Jews. All of these empires have been destroyed. And
yet,
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:the Jews are still a nation. Why? Because God had made this promise to
the Jews
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:in Genesis 12:2-3 - "I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses
you I
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you." God
keeps
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:His promises. And, the Jews are living proof that God keeps His promises.
4. About 2000 years ago, Christianity was introduced to the world by a
group of
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:Jews who were followers of Jesus. One of every three people in the world
today
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:are identified as being Christian, according to various almanacs and
encyclopedias. The Scriptures, largely through the spread of
Christianity, have
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:influenced governments and criminal justice systems throughout the world.
The
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:concepts that people are equal in the eyes of God, that individuals have
rights
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:that should be protected, trace all or some of their roots to the Bible.
And
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:these concepts can probably trace most and perhaps all of their
modern-day
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:popularity to the influence and popularity of the Bible. These are gifts
of the
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:Bible - gifts of the Jews - to the world.
5. The Jews are living proof that we all can rely on the promises made by
God
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:in the Bible. After all, the Bible told us, for example, that:
1. Israel would be a nation (1400 BC, 1948).
2. Jerusalem and the Temple would be destroyed (70-135 AD).
3. The Jews would be exiled (70-135 AD).
4. Israel would become a wasteland (135-1900s).
5. The Jews would be scattered worldwide (135-1900s).
6. The Jews would be persecuted worldwide (135-1900s).
7. The Jews would have a worldwide impact (135-1900s).
8. Their identity as a group would be preserved (135-1900s).
9. The Jews would return to their homeland (1900s, etc).
10. The Jews would have Israel again as their own country (since 1948).
All of these things have happened. No matter how tightly you close your
eyes,
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:all of these things have happened. No matter how strenuously you attack
the
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:Bible, all of these things have happened. And the Bible said that all of
these
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:things would happen. And the Jews are living proof that the Bible keeps
its
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:promises.
6. When the Jews declared independence for Israel in May 1948, it was the
first
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:time in about 2900 years that Israel was both united and independent. Who
has
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:ever heard of such a thing - that a country could be reborn after its
people
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:had been scattered worldwide for a few thousand years? And who has ever
heard
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:of such a thing - that a country could be reborn in a single day? Who? -
you,
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:me, and the Bible. The new Israel was born in a single day. After a
worldwide
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:movement called Zionism began in the 1800s, hundreds of thousands of Jews
worldwide began to return to their ancient homeland. Then, in May 1948,
the
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:Jews declared independence. On that same day, the United States and other
countries acknowledged the sovereignty of Israel. And, Israel's
sovereignty was
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:acknowledged in a very different way by the countries surrounding Israel.
Within hours of the declaration of independence, Israel was attacked by
the
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:surrounding countries which had hoped to put an end to the newly reborn
country. Those countries, combined, were at least 20 times larger than
tiny
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:Israel. And yet, tiny Israel prevailed in that war. Why? Because the
Bible
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:keeps its promises (see Isaiah 66:7-8 and Leviticus 26:3-8). And the Jews
are
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:living proof of this. Israel is living proof of this.
7. And let us not forget that Jesus is a Jew. Jesus is a Jew. His first
group
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:of followers were Jewish. How can we hate Jews and call ourselves
followers of
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:Jesus? It is impossible. Jesus talked about love, not hatred. Should we
hate
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:Jews because they are not followers of Jesus? Of course not. Would we
want
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:Hindus to hate us because we are not Hindus? Would we want Moslems to
hate us
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:because we are not Moslems? Do we want Jews to hate us because we are not
Jews?
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:Of course not. If we are followers of Jesus, we should not hate anyone.
Instead, we should treat others as we would have them treat us. That's
what
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:Jesus told us to do. How can we be followers of Jesus if we don't follow
Jesus?
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:
How can we allow ourselves, or our friends, or anyone else, to hate Jews?
They
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:are the people who gave us the word of God. That was their job. God had
chosen
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:them, out of all the peoples on the face of the earth, to be His chosen
people,
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:to record His words, and to share His words with the world. And yet, too
many
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:times in the past 1900 years, we Christians have persecuted the Jews. We
banned
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:them from living in Spain, England, France, Belgium and Italy. We burned
their
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:villages and we burned them alive - their husbands, their wives, their
parents
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:and their children. We stood by quietly while some of our church leaders
expressed their un-Christian hatred for Jews. And we didn't always stand
up
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:when some of our church leaders were defending the Jews. We must never
allow
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:ourselves to do this again. We must never allow ourselves to betray the
teachings of the Bible. Instead we must embrace the teachings of the
Bible, we
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:must embrace the Biblical ideal of treating other people as we would have
them
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:treat us. And if we embrace the Bible, then we have no choice but to
embrace
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:our Jewish brothers and sisters. And we have no choice but to embrace our
African brothers and sisters, our Asian brothers and sisters, our
Australian,
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:American, Oceanic and European brothers and sisters.
We must never allow ourselves to hate other people, regardless of whether
they
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:are Christians or non-Christians. Instead, we must love them because we
are
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:Christians.
- Raymond Konig
Written: Sept. 23, 2000
Revised: Nov. 18, 2002With all sincerity,
Jan
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Rejoice greatly, O Daughter of Zion! Shout, Daughter of Jerusalem! See, your
king comes to you, righteous and having salvation, gentle and riding on a
donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey.
"But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of
Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose
origins are from of old, from ancient times."
"It is too small a thing for you to be my servant to restore the tribes of
Jacob and bring back those of Israel I have kept. I will also make you a
light for the Gentiles, that you may bring my salvation to the ends of the
earth."
"If you think it best, give me my pay; but if not, keep it." So they paid me
thirty pieces of silver. And the Lord said to me, "Throw it to the
potter"--the handsome price at which they priced me! So I took the thirty
pieces of silver and threw them into the house of the Lord to the potter.
He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led
like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our
iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his
wounds we are healed.
He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth.
Therefore I will give him a portion among the great, and he will divide the
spoils with the strong, because he poured out his life unto death, and was
numbered with the transgressors. For he bore the sin of many, and made
intercession for the transgressors.
I offered my back to those who beat me, my cheeks to those who pulled out my
beard; I did not hide my face from mocking and spitting.
"And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem
a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have
pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and
grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.
They divide my garments among them and cast lots for my clothing.
You will not abandon me to the grave, nor will you let your Holy One see
decay. You have made known to me the path of life; you will fill me with joy
in your presence, with eternal pleasures at your right hand.
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Quoted message said:How sincere can Jan Drew be?? Now let us look at things that she has
said in the recent past:Jan says:
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:>Please do post both MY defensive and MY semitism.
Rich says:Quoted message said:Quoted message said:If you insist:
>>>Debbee says:
>>>The problem being, I am beginning to think all of this
>>>much to do about nothing in the field of alternative medicine is all
trueQuoted message said:>>about
>>>this particular heritage (Jewish), and maybe a certain European
leader
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:Quoted message said:>>([censored]) was right long
>>>time ago.
>>
>>>Jan replies:
>>>Yes, it does appear that way
>>
>>That's a wrap.Aloha,
Actually, here's the whole thing:
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From: [email hidden] (DEBBEE1023)
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Date: 06 Mar 2003 02:20:57 GMT
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Subject: Re: What does Jan Drew Look Like?
Message-ID: <[email hidden]><< I believe she asked a question, did she not? >>
I did ask a question, (I cannot see Probert anymore, but I almost guess
he is still attacking me). I haven't gotten an answer as far as I can
tell.<< Welcome to the world of Mark Probert. >>
I unwelcomed him, and killfilled him for a reason. It is "okay" to
ridicule and attack those people whose ideas do not fall within the
"Probert World", and anyone that has ideas or opinions about subjects
that he is campaigning hard against, there he is, without any personal
experience campaigning against it.I am beginning to think there are dentists who are among those who are
paid to talk against the anti-amalgam campaign, and I am beginning to
wonder which ethnic group of people owns those dental supply
businesses? I understand there is one large ethnic group that pushes
their "people" into the medical field, and those that cannot stand the
sight of blood end up as lobbyists, teachers, politicians,
entertainers, etc., and that anyone that goes against "their thinking"
is ridiculed. The problem being, I am beginning to think all of this
much to do about nothing in the field of alternative medicine is all
true about this particular heritage, and maybe a certain European
leader was right long time ago.
The "almighty" dollar is the most important material object in this
culture's
life. Not all of the people connected, are of that nature, but I'm
beginning to understand why the attacks on the U.S. were planned on the
cities that were chosen.
It's not just alternative medicine that has been attempted to be
hijacked...it
all because of pure GREED, that has some of these people so possessed,
that they feel they are OWED for something that happened years AGO.
Instead of "getting over it", like most people do, that have been
abused, they keep abusing others that are not of that culture, in an
attempt to "even the score."<END>
There you go. An example of raw, unfiltered anti-Semitism posted by
DEBBEE.Jan the antisemite says:
NO, it is an example of E X A C T L Y what happens both here and on
smd.Quoted message said:And you responded to this anti-Semitism with:
Jan the antisemite says:
Quoted message said:"Yes, it does appear that way, along with the ole EGO thingie."
Quoted message said:DEBBEE posted an anti-Semitic tirade, and you agreed with her.
Jan the antisemite says:
Quoted message said:YES, I am sorry it the TRUTH hurts.
Jan calls someone a Jewboy, says that Jews and atheists are the liars
in this newsgroup, that lying and debunking are second nature to Jews
and then has the audacity to think that she could post OTHERS WORDS
and somehow make her OWN antisemitic hatred go away. Most people can
see through the egregious hypocrisy of this sick and hateful woman.Now watch how Jan, instead of reconciling her above antisemitic
comments with the pro jewish statements (of someone ELSE) in her most
recent post, attacks me either in this post or by starting a new post
with my name in it. But she will NOT explain the above comments which
are CLEARLY antisemitic. Just watch. It is soooooooooooooo
predictable.Aloha,
Rich
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