Re: Impotence

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> >For years you too have presented yourself in these forums as a
> >mentally
> >disturbed misanthrope, so I'll pose the same question for you (I'm an
> >equal
> >opportunity troll baiter):
> >
> >When was the last time you had sex (solo masturbation and visits with
> >prostitutes excluded)?

Mike Vandeman said:

> Sorry, you need to stick to relevant subjects. Or move to alt.[censored],
> where you belong.

You will note that the frist post in this thread was made by you sick
buddy Ed ... dunderhead. Can't either of you two fight your own
battles???

Jim McNamara

Jim will always resort to sexual innuendo when he is at a loss for
thought.
It is ever the way of the scoundrel because it is so easy to do - and
will
elicit the usual sniggers from the peanut gallery. It amazes me that
someone
with a college education (and a Catholic one at that!) continually
resorts
to the lowest common denominator.

Jim should try to elevate his thinking into the stratosphere where Ed
Dolan
the Great resides. My head has been in the clouds all of my life. Matters
of
the groin I leave to my inferiors like Jim who is apparently some kind of
expert on such things.

Ed, you dudnderhead ... what sexual innuendo???.

"When was the last time you had sex (solo masturbation and visits with
prostitutes excluded)?" - Jim McNamara

For somone who goes

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on an on about posting fromat, you can't even follow a thread. You are
attributing to me a suxual inuendo made by another poster . In
addressin Mike V (not you), I wrote ...You will note that the frist
post in this thread was made by you sick buddy Ed ... dunderhead.
Can't either of you two fight your own battles??? You are really
dense. - Jim McNamara

Jim, I urge you do drop the sexual innuendoes. It is beneath you and is
something that only the brain dead resort to. You have a Catholic liberal
arts education and we all expect better things of you. I myself only do it
as a last resort when I am dealing with a total [censored]. I noticed you never
even did it with your arch enemy Ed Gin and so there is no reason for you to
do it with Mike Vandeman and myself since we are far superior types to Ed
Gin.

Perry Butler of Alexandria, Minnesota, another otherwise pretty good fellow
here on ARBR, would resort to this kind of an attack too when he was at a
loss for words. But Hells Bells, when you are at a loss for words, it is
better to just say nothing.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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> Not a problem for me.
>
> First, let me assure you that I'm not gay.
>
> I just don't like women anymore. Having a wife or a girlfriend
> involves 'WAY too many compromises, as far as I am concerned. They
> are
> just a pain in the ass, always complaining about something or other,
> and always quick to criticize you but think their own [censored] doesn't
> stink. The small amount of time that you spend having sex with them
> isn't worth it.
>
> Plus, let's face it, most women are as dumb as a brick. They never
> learned anything in school; they are anti-intellectual as a defense
> mechanism, and they are resentful of men who did well in school, went
> to college and graduate school, and who are successful.
>
> All women want is a man who is going to follow around behind them,
> cleaning up their messes like the guy in the circus parade who
> follows
> along behind the elephants. Oh, how could I have almost forgotten,
> they want the man to give them a lot of money. Of course they don't
> appreciate it because they are resentful that the man is successful
> and
> has the money to give them. And even if you do give them all the
> money
> they want, they probably won't want to have sex with you anyway.
>
> To make matters worse, even though they are dumb and
> overly-emotional,
> they want to call all the shots in the relationship! And they want
> to
> buy, buy, buy. "I feel inadequate. I'd better buy something."
>
> And if you marry one, she'll use you as a sperm donor until it
> becomes
> too much of a hassle to deal with you, and then she'll kick your ass
> out so you lose your family. But keep sending those support checks!
>
> Women are really evil and screwed up.
>
> In short, who needs women? I just avoid them like the plague, and
> have
> never been happier.

Folson, you are a genius almost on my level. I have not had your

experience

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of women, but I KNOW everything you say about them is true. So very
many
poor men slobs seem not to have a clue about women. It just sickens me

that

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men can be such fools and all-around dumbbells. Well, it all has to do

with

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the sex angle and nothing else. Men want sex and women want children.
From
that springs all the misunderstandings between the sexes. Unless men
also
want children, they are better off staying as far away from the female
sex
as they can get.

ED, please don't project your fears of intimacy and sexuality upon the
rest
of the male gender. You're a well-documented misanthrope and misogynist,
with well-documented fears of intimacy (of any kind).

For most normal men, physical and social intimacy with women is part of
the
definition of a life well lived. Of course, you're free to live your
lonely
life as you see fit. But insulting all women just because you fear them,
and insulting most men who would prefer their company, just makes you
look
like even more of a weirdo and misfit.

BTW - When was the last time you had sex (solo masturbation excluded)?
I'm
guessing it's been a very long time. Perhaps you've simply forgotten, or
never learned, what a pleasant experience it can be.

Gary, et. al. - A lack of knowledge, experience or expertise has never
curtailed Ed's enthusiasm to impose his unfounded, errant "wisdom" ...
"wisdom" derived solely from myopic, twisted misconceptions. A
closet-queen, paralyzed by sexual hang-ups and shackled by self-imposed
celibacy; Ed has no credibility in this particular area of discussion.

Anyone who is into sexual behavior without the express intent of creating
new life (babies) is nothing but human scum. God abhors all such and the
Devil is waiting for you in Hell!

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His lack of knowledge, experience and expertise invalidate his
arguments as baseless. He condemns those who refuse to follow his
misguided path to enlightenment, but the fool himself remains
unenlightened. Ignore his random, incoherent babble. Have pity on the
misanthropic hermit for he knows not what he speaks and speaks of what
he knows not. Given to flights of fancy, Ed is a victim of his own
unrestrained imagination. He is on a delusional journey to nowhere ...
a quest and a realm of that no one is willing to share. - Jim McNamara

Follow in the footsteps of Saint Edward the Great and you will know what it
is to be a self respecting human being. Any other path and all you will know
are matters of the groin along with the lower animals of creation. However,
the lower animals have the excuse that they do not have any higher powers of
reasoning, something that we humans can never excuse ourselves from. Hence,
we are many times worse than the beasts of the field. Yea, we are truly evil
and deserving of everlasting Hellfire!

It is my intention to come back after death as a Mighty Sequoia Tree. Yea,
and then I shall lord it over all these pitiful humans who fancy themselves
the lords of creation with all their pathetic sexual hang-ups. Ed Dolan, the
Mighty Sequoia Tree - now there is thought to wrap your mind around!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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>> >For years you too have presented yourself in these forums as a
>> >mentally
>> >disturbed misanthrope, so I'll pose the same question for you (I'm

an

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>> >equal
>> >opportunity troll baiter):
>> >
>> >When was the last time you had sex (solo masturbation and visits

with

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>> >prostitutes excluded)?

Mike Vandeman wrote:

>> Sorry, you need to stick to relevant subjects. Or move to alt.[censored],
>> where you belong.
>
> You will note that the frist post in this thread was made by you sick
> buddy Ed ... dunderhead. Can't either of you two fight your own
> battles???
>
> Jim McNamara

Jim will always resort to sexual innuendo when he is at a loss for
thought.
It is ever the way of the scoundrel because it is so easy to do - and
will
elicit the usual sniggers from the peanut gallery. It amazes me that
someone
with a college education (and a Catholic one at that!) continually
resorts
to the lowest common denominator.

Jim should try to elevate his thinking into the stratosphere where Ed
Dolan
the Great resides. My head has been in the clouds all of my life.

Matters

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of
the groin I leave to my inferiors like Jim who is apparently some kind

of

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expert on such things.

Ed, you dudnderhead ... what sexual innuendo???.

"When was the last time you had sex (solo masturbation and visits with
prostitutes excluded)?" - Jim McNamara

ED, you idiot...Jim did *not* write that. I did. Try reading for
comprehension.

FWIW, what I wrote was not "innuendo"...it was a simple, direct question
that you've chosen to ignore. I asked the question only to establish a
frame of reference. You often harp on issues of sexuality (apparently this
subject makes you uncomfortable), but many of us suspect you have little to
no experience in this arena.

GG

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For somone who goes

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on an on about posting fromat, you can't even follow a thread. You are
attributing to me a suxual inuendo made by another poster . In
addressin Mike V (not you), I wrote ...You will note that the frist
post in this thread was made by you sick buddy Ed ... dunderhead.
Can't either of you two fight your own battles??? You are really
dense. - Jim McNamara

Jim, I urge you do drop the sexual innuendoes. It is beneath you and is
something that only the brain dead resort to. You have a Catholic liberal
arts education and we all expect better things of you. I myself only do it
as a last resort when I am dealing with a total [censored]. I noticed you

never

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even did it with your arch enemy Ed Gin and so there is no reason for you

to

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do it with Mike Vandeman and myself since we are far superior types to Ed
Gin.

Perry Butler of Alexandria, Minnesota, another otherwise pretty good

fellow

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here on ARBR, would resort to this kind of an attack too when he was at a
loss for words. But Hells Bells, when you are at a loss for words, it is
better to just say nothing.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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>> >For years you too have presented yourself in these forums as a
>> >mentally
>> >disturbed misanthrope, so I'll pose the same question for you (I'm

an

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>> >equal
>> >opportunity troll baiter):
>> >
>> >When was the last time you had sex (solo masturbation and visits

with

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>> >prostitutes excluded)?

Mike Vandeman wrote:

>> Sorry, you need to stick to relevant subjects. Or move to alt.[censored],
>> where you belong.
>
> You will note that the frist post in this thread was made by you sick
> buddy Ed ... dunderhead. Can't either of you two fight your own
> battles???
>
> Jim McNamara

Jim will always resort to sexual innuendo when he is at a loss for
thought.
It is ever the way of the scoundrel because it is so easy to do - and
will
elicit the usual sniggers from the peanut gallery. It amazes me that
someone
with a college education (and a Catholic one at that!) continually
resorts
to the lowest common denominator.

Jim should try to elevate his thinking into the stratosphere where Ed
Dolan
the Great resides. My head has been in the clouds all of my life.

Matters

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of
the groin I leave to my inferiors like Jim who is apparently some kind

of

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expert on such things.

Ed, you dudnderhead ... what sexual innuendo???.

"When was the last time you had sex (solo masturbation and visits with
prostitutes excluded)?" - Jim McNamara

ED, you idiot...Jim did *not* write that. I did. Try reading for
comprehension.

FWIW, what I wrote was not "innuendo"...it was a simple, direct question
that you've chosen to ignore. I asked the question only to establish a
frame of reference. You often harp on issues of sexuality (apparently this
subject makes you uncomfortable), but many of us suspect you have little to
no experience in this arena.

GG

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For somone who goes

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on an on about posting fromat, you can't even follow a thread. You are
attributing to me a suxual inuendo made by another poster . In
addressin Mike V (not you), I wrote ...You will note that the frist
post in this thread was made by you sick buddy Ed ... dunderhead.
Can't either of you two fight your own battles??? You are really
dense. - Jim McNamara

Jim, I urge you do drop the sexual innuendoes. It is beneath you and is
something that only the brain dead resort to. You have a Catholic liberal
arts education and we all expect better things of you. I myself only do it
as a last resort when I am dealing with a total [censored]. I noticed you

never

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even did it with your arch enemy Ed Gin and so there is no reason for you

to

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do it with Mike Vandeman and myself since we are far superior types to Ed
Gin.

Perry Butler of Alexandria, Minnesota, another otherwise pretty good

fellow

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here on ARBR, would resort to this kind of an attack too when he was at a
loss for words. But Hells Bells, when you are at a loss for words, it is
better to just say nothing.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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> > Not a problem for me.
> >
> > First, let me assure you that I'm not gay.
> >
> > I just don't like women anymore. Having a wife or a girlfriend
> > involves 'WAY too many compromises, as far as I am concerned. They
> > are
> > just a pain in the ass, always complaining about something or

other,

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> > and always quick to criticize you but think their own [censored] doesn't
> > stink. The small amount of time that you spend having sex with

them

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> > isn't worth it.
> >
> > Plus, let's face it, most women are as dumb as a brick. They never
> > learned anything in school; they are anti-intellectual as a defense
> > mechanism, and they are resentful of men who did well in school,

went

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> > to college and graduate school, and who are successful.
> >
> > All women want is a man who is going to follow around behind them,
> > cleaning up their messes like the guy in the circus parade who
> > follows
> > along behind the elephants. Oh, how could I have almost forgotten,
> > they want the man to give them a lot of money. Of course they

don't

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> > appreciate it because they are resentful that the man is successful
> > and
> > has the money to give them. And even if you do give them all the
> > money
> > they want, they probably won't want to have sex with you anyway.
> >
> > To make matters worse, even though they are dumb and
> > overly-emotional,
> > they want to call all the shots in the relationship! And they want
> > to
> > buy, buy, buy. "I feel inadequate. I'd better buy something."
> >
> > And if you marry one, she'll use you as a sperm donor until it
> > becomes
> > too much of a hassle to deal with you, and then she'll kick your

ass

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> > out so you lose your family. But keep sending those support

checks!

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> >
> > Women are really evil and screwed up.
> >
> > In short, who needs women? I just avoid them like the plague, and
> > have
> > never been happier.
>
> Folson, you are a genius almost on my level. I have not had your
experience
> of women, but I KNOW everything you say about them is true. So very
> many
> poor men slobs seem not to have a clue about women. It just sickens

me

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that
> men can be such fools and all-around dumbbells. Well, it all has to

do

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with
> the sex angle and nothing else. Men want sex and women want children.
> From
> that springs all the misunderstandings between the sexes. Unless men
> also
> want children, they are better off staying as far away from the

female

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> sex
> as they can get.

ED, please don't project your fears of intimacy and sexuality upon the
rest
of the male gender. You're a well-documented misanthrope and

misogynist,

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with well-documented fears of intimacy (of any kind).

For most normal men, physical and social intimacy with women is part of
the
definition of a life well lived. Of course, you're free to live your
lonely
life as you see fit. But insulting all women just because you fear

them,

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and insulting most men who would prefer their company, just makes you
look
like even more of a weirdo and misfit.

BTW - When was the last time you had sex (solo masturbation excluded)?
I'm
guessing it's been a very long time. Perhaps you've simply forgotten,

or

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never learned, what a pleasant experience it can be.

Gary, et. al. - A lack of knowledge, experience or expertise has never
curtailed Ed's enthusiasm to impose his unfounded, errant "wisdom" ...
"wisdom" derived solely from myopic, twisted misconceptions. A
closet-queen, paralyzed by sexual hang-ups and shackled by self-imposed
celibacy; Ed has no credibility in this particular area of discussion.

Anyone who is into sexual behavior without the express intent of creating
new life (babies) is nothing but human scum. God abhors all such and the
Devil is waiting for you in Hell!

Surely you must be aware of how bizarre that sentiment sounds to normal
people, ED. By your reckoning, 99% of humanity is "human scum". This alone
would be enough for most folks to characterize you as mentally ill.

Have you ever discussed your fears of sexuality and intimacy with a
qualified mental health professional?

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His lack of knowledge, experience and expertise invalidate his
arguments as baseless. He condemns those who refuse to follow his
misguided path to enlightenment, but the fool himself remains
unenlightened. Ignore his random, incoherent babble. Have pity on the
misanthropic hermit for he knows not what he speaks and speaks of what
he knows not. Given to flights of fancy, Ed is a victim of his own
unrestrained imagination. He is on a delusional journey to nowhere ...
a quest and a realm of that no one is willing to share. - Jim McNamara

Follow in the footsteps of Saint Edward the Great and you will know what

it

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is to be a self respecting human being.

No...we would know what it is to be lonely, unloved, and ridiculed.

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Any other path and all you will know
are matters of the groin along with the lower animals of creation.

Earth to ED - Believe it or not, it's possible to lead a life rich with
intellectual and physical challenges, creativity and joy, and also to
experience love, intimacy, and (gasp!) sex (both for pleasure, and for
procreative purposes).

Your fears have cut you off from much of the richness and beauty that's
around you. Worse yet, you justify giving in to your fears by calling them
"Greatness".

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However,
the lower animals have the excuse that they do not have any higher powers

of

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reasoning, something that we humans can never excuse ourselves from.

Hence,

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we are many times worse than the beasts of the field. Yea, we are truly

evil

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and deserving of everlasting Hellfire!

It is my intention to come back after death as a Mighty Sequoia Tree. Yea,
and then I shall lord it over all these pitiful humans who fancy

themselves

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the lords of creation with all their pathetic sexual hang-ups. Ed Dolan,

the

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Mighty Sequoia Tree - now there is thought to wrap your mind around!

The phallic symbolism of your post-reincarnation desires is deliciously
ironic, ED....a "mighty sequoia tree" indeed (better late than ever, eh?).

GG

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Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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> > Not a problem for me.
> >
> > First, let me assure you that I'm not gay.
> >
> > I just don't like women anymore. Having a wife or a girlfriend
> > involves 'WAY too many compromises, as far as I am concerned. They
> > are
> > just a pain in the ass, always complaining about something or

other,

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> > and always quick to criticize you but think their own [censored] doesn't
> > stink. The small amount of time that you spend having sex with

them

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> > isn't worth it.
> >
> > Plus, let's face it, most women are as dumb as a brick. They never
> > learned anything in school; they are anti-intellectual as a defense
> > mechanism, and they are resentful of men who did well in school,

went

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> > to college and graduate school, and who are successful.
> >
> > All women want is a man who is going to follow around behind them,
> > cleaning up their messes like the guy in the circus parade who
> > follows
> > along behind the elephants. Oh, how could I have almost forgotten,
> > they want the man to give them a lot of money. Of course they

don't

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> > appreciate it because they are resentful that the man is successful
> > and
> > has the money to give them. And even if you do give them all the
> > money
> > they want, they probably won't want to have sex with you anyway.
> >
> > To make matters worse, even though they are dumb and
> > overly-emotional,
> > they want to call all the shots in the relationship! And they want
> > to
> > buy, buy, buy. "I feel inadequate. I'd better buy something."
> >
> > And if you marry one, she'll use you as a sperm donor until it
> > becomes
> > too much of a hassle to deal with you, and then she'll kick your

ass

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> > out so you lose your family. But keep sending those support

checks!

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> >
> > Women are really evil and screwed up.
> >
> > In short, who needs women? I just avoid them like the plague, and
> > have
> > never been happier.
>
> Folson, you are a genius almost on my level. I have not had your
experience
> of women, but I KNOW everything you say about them is true. So very
> many
> poor men slobs seem not to have a clue about women. It just sickens

me

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that
> men can be such fools and all-around dumbbells. Well, it all has to

do

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with
> the sex angle and nothing else. Men want sex and women want children.
> From
> that springs all the misunderstandings between the sexes. Unless men
> also
> want children, they are better off staying as far away from the

female

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> sex
> as they can get.

ED, please don't project your fears of intimacy and sexuality upon the
rest
of the male gender. You're a well-documented misanthrope and

misogynist,

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with well-documented fears of intimacy (of any kind).

For most normal men, physical and social intimacy with women is part of
the
definition of a life well lived. Of course, you're free to live your
lonely
life as you see fit. But insulting all women just because you fear

them,

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and insulting most men who would prefer their company, just makes you
look
like even more of a weirdo and misfit.

BTW - When was the last time you had sex (solo masturbation excluded)?
I'm
guessing it's been a very long time. Perhaps you've simply forgotten,

or

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never learned, what a pleasant experience it can be.

Gary, et. al. - A lack of knowledge, experience or expertise has never
curtailed Ed's enthusiasm to impose his unfounded, errant "wisdom" ...
"wisdom" derived solely from myopic, twisted misconceptions. A
closet-queen, paralyzed by sexual hang-ups and shackled by self-imposed
celibacy; Ed has no credibility in this particular area of discussion.

Anyone who is into sexual behavior without the express intent of creating
new life (babies) is nothing but human scum. God abhors all such and the
Devil is waiting for you in Hell!

Surely you must be aware of how bizarre that sentiment sounds to normal
people, ED. By your reckoning, 99% of humanity is "human scum". This alone
would be enough for most folks to characterize you as mentally ill.

Have you ever discussed your fears of sexuality and intimacy with a
qualified mental health professional?

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His lack of knowledge, experience and expertise invalidate his
arguments as baseless. He condemns those who refuse to follow his
misguided path to enlightenment, but the fool himself remains
unenlightened. Ignore his random, incoherent babble. Have pity on the
misanthropic hermit for he knows not what he speaks and speaks of what
he knows not. Given to flights of fancy, Ed is a victim of his own
unrestrained imagination. He is on a delusional journey to nowhere ...
a quest and a realm of that no one is willing to share. - Jim McNamara

Follow in the footsteps of Saint Edward the Great and you will know what

it

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is to be a self respecting human being.

No...we would know what it is to be lonely, unloved, and ridiculed.

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Any other path and all you will know
are matters of the groin along with the lower animals of creation.

Earth to ED - Believe it or not, it's possible to lead a life rich with
intellectual and physical challenges, creativity and joy, and also to
experience love, intimacy, and (gasp!) sex (both for pleasure, and for
procreative purposes).

Your fears have cut you off from much of the richness and beauty that's
around you. Worse yet, you justify giving in to your fears by calling them
"Greatness".

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However,
the lower animals have the excuse that they do not have any higher powers

of

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reasoning, something that we humans can never excuse ourselves from.

Hence,

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we are many times worse than the beasts of the field. Yea, we are truly

evil

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and deserving of everlasting Hellfire!

It is my intention to come back after death as a Mighty Sequoia Tree. Yea,
and then I shall lord it over all these pitiful humans who fancy

themselves

Quoted message said:

the lords of creation with all their pathetic sexual hang-ups. Ed Dolan,

the

Quoted message said:

Mighty Sequoia Tree - now there is thought to wrap your mind around!

The phallic symbolism of your post-reincarnation desires is deliciously
ironic, ED....a "mighty sequoia tree" indeed (better late than ever, eh?).

GG

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Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"GaryG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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[...]

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"When was the last time you had sex (solo masturbation and visits with
prostitutes excluded)?" - Jim McNamara

ED, you idiot...Jim did *not* write that. I did. Try reading for
comprehension.

Well, if Jim did not write that then everything I said to him now applies to
you.

Quoted message said:

FWIW, what I wrote was not "innuendo"...it was a simple, direct question
that you've chosen to ignore. I asked the question only to establish a
frame of reference. You often harp on issues of sexuality (apparently this
subject makes you uncomfortable), but many of us suspect you have little
to
no experience in this arena.

When you reference sex it is all about innuendo and nothing else. I only
reference holiness and take to task those who are into sex for any other
reason than creating new life. This has been the stance of the Holy Roman
Catholic Church (the one true church) from time immemorial and I am in damn
good company, if I do say so myself.

In my youth I actually plowed my way through the works of St. Thomas
Aquinas, one of the great Church Fathers. Yes it seems quaint to have done
that now, but I lived in another era from the present one. I am now an
atheist, but I love the teachings of the old Church Fathers.

God, I was so born out of my time! I want nothing else than to be a monk of
the Middle Ages, one of those who would take vows of eternal silence. Yea, I
only want to talk to God. I would like to only live in my monastic cell and
have mystic visions of God, the Saints and to taste Heaven! What is so wrong
about that?

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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For somone who goes

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on an on about posting fromat, you can't even follow a thread. You are
attributing to me a suxual inuendo made by another poster . In
addressin Mike V (not you), I wrote ...You will note that the frist
post in this thread was made by you sick buddy Ed ... dunderhead.
Can't either of you two fight your own battles??? You are really
dense. - Jim McNamara

Jim, I urge you do drop the sexual innuendoes. It is beneath you and is
something that only the brain dead resort to. You have a Catholic liberal
arts education and we all expect better things of you. I myself only do
it
as a last resort when I am dealing with a total [censored]. I noticed you

never

Quoted message said:

even did it with your arch enemy Ed Gin and so there is no reason for you

to

Quoted message said:

do it with Mike Vandeman and myself since we are far superior types to Ed
Gin.

Perry Butler of Alexandria, Minnesota, another otherwise pretty good

fellow

Quoted message said:

here on ARBR, would resort to this kind of an attack too when he was at a
loss for words. But Hells Bells, when you are at a loss for words, it is
better to just say nothing.

"GaryG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

[...]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"When was the last time you had sex (solo masturbation and visits with
prostitutes excluded)?" - Jim McNamara

ED, you idiot...Jim did *not* write that. I did. Try reading for
comprehension.

Well, if Jim did not write that then everything I said to him now applies to
you.

Quoted message said:

FWIW, what I wrote was not "innuendo"...it was a simple, direct question
that you've chosen to ignore. I asked the question only to establish a
frame of reference. You often harp on issues of sexuality (apparently this
subject makes you uncomfortable), but many of us suspect you have little
to
no experience in this arena.

When you reference sex it is all about innuendo and nothing else. I only
reference holiness and take to task those who are into sex for any other
reason than creating new life. This has been the stance of the Holy Roman
Catholic Church (the one true church) from time immemorial and I am in damn
good company, if I do say so myself.

In my youth I actually plowed my way through the works of St. Thomas
Aquinas, one of the great Church Fathers. Yes it seems quaint to have done
that now, but I lived in another era from the present one. I am now an
atheist, but I love the teachings of the old Church Fathers.

God, I was so born out of my time! I want nothing else than to be a monk of
the Middle Ages, one of those who would take vows of eternal silence. Yea, I
only want to talk to God. I would like to only live in my monastic cell and
have mystic visions of God, the Saints and to taste Heaven! What is so wrong
about that?

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

For somone who goes

Quoted message said:

on an on about posting fromat, you can't even follow a thread. You are
attributing to me a suxual inuendo made by another poster . In
addressin Mike V (not you), I wrote ...You will note that the frist
post in this thread was made by you sick buddy Ed ... dunderhead.
Can't either of you two fight your own battles??? You are really
dense. - Jim McNamara

Jim, I urge you do drop the sexual innuendoes. It is beneath you and is
something that only the brain dead resort to. You have a Catholic liberal
arts education and we all expect better things of you. I myself only do
it
as a last resort when I am dealing with a total [censored]. I noticed you

never

Quoted message said:

even did it with your arch enemy Ed Gin and so there is no reason for you

to

Quoted message said:

do it with Mike Vandeman and myself since we are far superior types to Ed
Gin.

Perry Butler of Alexandria, Minnesota, another otherwise pretty good

fellow

Quoted message said:

here on ARBR, would resort to this kind of an attack too when he was at a
loss for words. But Hells Bells, when you are at a loss for words, it is
better to just say nothing.

"GaryG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

[...]

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Anyone who is into sexual behavior without the express intent of creating
new life (babies) is nothing but human scum. God abhors all such and the
Devil is waiting for you in Hell!

Surely you must be aware of how bizarre that sentiment sounds to normal
people, ED. By your reckoning, 99% of humanity is "human scum". This
alone
would be enough for most folks to characterize you as mentally ill.

GaryG is a libertine and can therefore never understand what it means to be
pure and holy like me. Let me repeat so it will perhaps finally sink in:

"Anyone who is into sexual behavior without the express intent of creating
new life (babies) is nothing but human scum." - Ed Dolan

Libertinism is now the accepted norm of the era we are living in, but it was
not always so. Anyone who is capable of rational thought knows that the only
purpose of sex is to create new life. Any other purpose is clearly a
perversion.

I had a sociology professor at the University of Minnesota who tried to tell
us that sex is also useful as a bonding mechanism between the parents - to
keep them together long enough to ensure the survival of their children.
God, I just about threw up when I heard that. I didn't believe it for a
moment. It is nothing but a rationalization for perversion. The one and only
purpose of sex is to create new life - period! Thus spake Zarathustra!

Quoted message said:

Have you ever discussed your fears of sexuality and intimacy with a
qualified mental health professional?

What fear? A better word is contempt for a biological function which is only
important (and indeed sacred) if and when you want to create new life.
[...]

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Quoted message said:

Any other path and all you will know
are matters of the groin along with the lower animals of creation.

Earth to ED - Believe it or not, it's possible to lead a life rich with
intellectual and physical challenges, creativity and joy, and also to
experience love, intimacy, and (gasp!) sex (both for pleasure, and for
procreative purposes).

No, pleasure is forbidden. What the hell do you think the Garden of Eden was
all about? But you are a libertine, so what would you know. If we can know
some pleasures of the mind and of the spirit in our lives, that is all we
are entitled to. The pleasures of the flesh are reserved for the lower
animals of creation. Are you perhaps one of them?
[...]

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Quoted message said:

It is my intention to come back after death as a Mighty Sequoia Tree.
Yea,
and then I shall lord it over all these pitiful humans who fancy

themselves

Quoted message said:

the lords of creation with all their pathetic sexual hang-ups. Ed Dolan,

the

Quoted message said:

Mighty Sequoia Tree - now there is a thought to wrap your mind around!

The phallic symbolism of your post-reincarnation desires is deliciously
ironic, ED....a "mighty sequoia tree" indeed (better late than ever, eh?).

Such a symbolism never even occurred to me. If you had ever been around a
Mighty Sequoia Tree you would know what I am talking about, but you are
mired in libertinism and not capable of any Great Thoughts like Saint Edward
the Great.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"GaryG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

[...]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Anyone who is into sexual behavior without the express intent of creating
new life (babies) is nothing but human scum. God abhors all such and the
Devil is waiting for you in Hell!

Surely you must be aware of how bizarre that sentiment sounds to normal
people, ED. By your reckoning, 99% of humanity is "human scum". This
alone
would be enough for most folks to characterize you as mentally ill.

GaryG is a libertine and can therefore never understand what it means to be
pure and holy like me. Let me repeat so it will perhaps finally sink in:

"Anyone who is into sexual behavior without the express intent of creating
new life (babies) is nothing but human scum." - Ed Dolan

Libertinism is now the accepted norm of the era we are living in, but it was
not always so. Anyone who is capable of rational thought knows that the only
purpose of sex is to create new life. Any other purpose is clearly a
perversion.

I had a sociology professor at the University of Minnesota who tried to tell
us that sex is also useful as a bonding mechanism between the parents - to
keep them together long enough to ensure the survival of their children.
God, I just about threw up when I heard that. I didn't believe it for a
moment. It is nothing but a rationalization for perversion. The one and only
purpose of sex is to create new life - period! Thus spake Zarathustra!

Quoted message said:

Have you ever discussed your fears of sexuality and intimacy with a
qualified mental health professional?

What fear? A better word is contempt for a biological function which is only
important (and indeed sacred) if and when you want to create new life.
[...]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Any other path and all you will know
are matters of the groin along with the lower animals of creation.

Earth to ED - Believe it or not, it's possible to lead a life rich with
intellectual and physical challenges, creativity and joy, and also to
experience love, intimacy, and (gasp!) sex (both for pleasure, and for
procreative purposes).

No, pleasure is forbidden. What the hell do you think the Garden of Eden was
all about? But you are a libertine, so what would you know. If we can know
some pleasures of the mind and of the spirit in our lives, that is all we
are entitled to. The pleasures of the flesh are reserved for the lower
animals of creation. Are you perhaps one of them?
[...]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It is my intention to come back after death as a Mighty Sequoia Tree.
Yea,
and then I shall lord it over all these pitiful humans who fancy

themselves

Quoted message said:

the lords of creation with all their pathetic sexual hang-ups. Ed Dolan,

the

Quoted message said:

Mighty Sequoia Tree - now there is a thought to wrap your mind around!

The phallic symbolism of your post-reincarnation desires is deliciously
ironic, ED....a "mighty sequoia tree" indeed (better late than ever, eh?).

Such a symbolism never even occurred to me. If you had ever been around a
Mighty Sequoia Tree you would know what I am talking about, but you are
mired in libertinism and not capable of any Great Thoughts like Saint Edward
the Great.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"GaryG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

[...]

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Quoted message said:

"When was the last time you had sex (solo masturbation and visits with
prostitutes excluded)?" - Jim McNamara

ED, you idiot...Jim did *not* write that. I did. Try reading for
comprehension.

Well, if Jim did not write that then everything I said to him now applies

to

Quoted message said:

you.

Quoted message said:

FWIW, what I wrote was not "innuendo"...it was a simple, direct question
that you've chosen to ignore. I asked the question only to establish a
frame of reference. You often harp on issues of sexuality (apparently

this

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

subject makes you uncomfortable), but many of us suspect you have little
to
no experience in this arena.

When you reference sex it is all about innuendo and nothing else. I only
reference holiness and take to task those who are into sex for any other
reason than creating new life. This has been the stance of the Holy Roman
Catholic Church (the one true church) from time immemorial and I am in

damn

Quoted message said:

good company, if I do say so myself.

In my youth I actually plowed my way through the works of St. Thomas
Aquinas, one of the great Church Fathers. Yes it seems quaint to have done
that now, but I lived in another era from the present one. I am now an
atheist, but I love the teachings of the old Church Fathers.

God, I was so born out of my time! I want nothing else than to be a monk

of

Quoted message said:

the Middle Ages, one of those who would take vows of eternal silence.

Ah, yes...those simpler times when 90% of the population was illiterate,
when the average lifespan was about 35 years, when slavery and torture were
commonplace, and when women (and men) could be burned in public for
"witchcraft" (meaning, they [censored] somebody with power).

BTW - do you really think that people were less sexually active back then?

Quoted message said:

Yea, I
only want to talk to God. I would like to only live in my monastic cell

and

Quoted message said:

have mystic visions of God, the Saints and to taste Heaven! What is so

wrong

Quoted message said:

about that?

You would get a lot of heartfelt support if you were to take a vow of
silence with respect to Usenet (I'd put you on my Christmas card list if you
did).

You could also join a monastery if you wanted to. I hear they're hiring, but
your puffed up claims of "greatness" might not go over so well in that
environment.

GG

Quoted message said:

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

For somone who goes
> on an on about posting fromat, you can't even follow a thread. You

are

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> attributing to me a suxual inuendo made by another poster . In
> addressin Mike V (not you), I wrote ...You will note that the frist
> post in this thread was made by you sick buddy Ed ... dunderhead.
> Can't either of you two fight your own battles??? You are really
> dense. - Jim McNamara

Jim, I urge you do drop the sexual innuendoes. It is beneath you and is
something that only the brain dead resort to. You have a Catholic

liberal

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

arts education and we all expect better things of you. I myself only do
it
as a last resort when I am dealing with a total [censored]. I noticed you

never

Quoted message said:

even did it with your arch enemy Ed Gin and so there is no reason for

you

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

to

Quoted message said:

do it with Mike Vandeman and myself since we are far superior types to

Ed

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Gin.

Perry Butler of Alexandria, Minnesota, another otherwise pretty good

fellow

Quoted message said:

here on ARBR, would resort to this kind of an attack too when he was at

a

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

loss for words. But Hells Bells, when you are at a loss for words, it

is

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

better to just say nothing.

"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"GaryG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

[...]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"When was the last time you had sex (solo masturbation and visits with
prostitutes excluded)?" - Jim McNamara

ED, you idiot...Jim did *not* write that. I did. Try reading for
comprehension.

Well, if Jim did not write that then everything I said to him now applies

to

Quoted message said:

you.

Quoted message said:

FWIW, what I wrote was not "innuendo"...it was a simple, direct question
that you've chosen to ignore. I asked the question only to establish a
frame of reference. You often harp on issues of sexuality (apparently

this

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

subject makes you uncomfortable), but many of us suspect you have little
to
no experience in this arena.

When you reference sex it is all about innuendo and nothing else. I only
reference holiness and take to task those who are into sex for any other
reason than creating new life. This has been the stance of the Holy Roman
Catholic Church (the one true church) from time immemorial and I am in

damn

Quoted message said:

good company, if I do say so myself.

In my youth I actually plowed my way through the works of St. Thomas
Aquinas, one of the great Church Fathers. Yes it seems quaint to have done
that now, but I lived in another era from the present one. I am now an
atheist, but I love the teachings of the old Church Fathers.

God, I was so born out of my time! I want nothing else than to be a monk

of

Quoted message said:

the Middle Ages, one of those who would take vows of eternal silence.

Ah, yes...those simpler times when 90% of the population was illiterate,
when the average lifespan was about 35 years, when slavery and torture were
commonplace, and when women (and men) could be burned in public for
"witchcraft" (meaning, they [censored] somebody with power).

BTW - do you really think that people were less sexually active back then?

Quoted message said:

Yea, I
only want to talk to God. I would like to only live in my monastic cell

and

Quoted message said:

have mystic visions of God, the Saints and to taste Heaven! What is so

wrong

Quoted message said:

about that?

You would get a lot of heartfelt support if you were to take a vow of
silence with respect to Usenet (I'd put you on my Christmas card list if you
did).

You could also join a monastery if you wanted to. I hear they're hiring, but
your puffed up claims of "greatness" might not go over so well in that
environment.

GG

Quoted message said:

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

For somone who goes
> on an on about posting fromat, you can't even follow a thread. You

are

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> attributing to me a suxual inuendo made by another poster . In
> addressin Mike V (not you), I wrote ...You will note that the frist
> post in this thread was made by you sick buddy Ed ... dunderhead.
> Can't either of you two fight your own battles??? You are really
> dense. - Jim McNamara

Jim, I urge you do drop the sexual innuendoes. It is beneath you and is
something that only the brain dead resort to. You have a Catholic

liberal

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

arts education and we all expect better things of you. I myself only do
it
as a last resort when I am dealing with a total [censored]. I noticed you

never

Quoted message said:

even did it with your arch enemy Ed Gin and so there is no reason for

you

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

to

Quoted message said:

do it with Mike Vandeman and myself since we are far superior types to

Ed

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Gin.

Perry Butler of Alexandria, Minnesota, another otherwise pretty good

fellow

Quoted message said:

here on ARBR, would resort to this kind of an attack too when he was at

a

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

loss for words. But Hells Bells, when you are at a loss for words, it

is

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

better to just say nothing.

"GaryG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

[...]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

God, I was so born out of my time! I want nothing else than to be a monk

of

Quoted message said:

the Middle Ages, one of those who would take vows of eternal silence.

Ah, yes...those simpler times when 90% of the population was illiterate,
when the average lifespan was about 35 years, when slavery and torture
were
commonplace, and when women (and men) could be burned in public for
"witchcraft" (meaning, they [censored] somebody with power).

Yes, those were truly the good old days. I yearn for them every day of my
life. Why was it my misfortune to be born into the 20th century in America
when I should have been born in Medieval Germany where I could have had a
mighty struggle with that Protestant heretic Martin Luther. He is like you
in that he wanted to have his salvation and screw at the same time. He
simply did not know what it was to be a good Catholic like me (even though I
am now an atheist).

Quoted message said:

BTW - do you really think that people were less sexually active back then?

At least they knew they were sinning when they were sinning. That is a huge
improvement over the likes of you.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Yea, I
only want to talk to God. I would like to only live in my monastic cell

and

Quoted message said:

have mystic visions of God, the Saints and to taste Heaven! What is so

wrong

Quoted message said:

about that?

You would get a lot of heartfelt support if you were to take a vow of
silence with respect to Usenet (I'd put you on my Christmas card list if
you
did).

I could see this coming - which is why I said it!

Quoted message said:

You could also join a monastery if you wanted to. I hear they're hiring,
but
your puffed up claims of "greatness" might not go over so well in that
environment.

No, it is not possible to join a monastery when you no longer believe. I am
an atheist and there is just no way I could hide this very significant fact
about myself. They would boot me out in very short order because they would
not know what I was praying about or meditating on.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"GaryG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

[...]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

God, I was so born out of my time! I want nothing else than to be a monk

of

Quoted message said:

the Middle Ages, one of those who would take vows of eternal silence.

Ah, yes...those simpler times when 90% of the population was illiterate,
when the average lifespan was about 35 years, when slavery and torture
were
commonplace, and when women (and men) could be burned in public for
"witchcraft" (meaning, they [censored] somebody with power).

Yes, those were truly the good old days. I yearn for them every day of my
life. Why was it my misfortune to be born into the 20th century in America
when I should have been born in Medieval Germany where I could have had a
mighty struggle with that Protestant heretic Martin Luther. He is like you
in that he wanted to have his salvation and screw at the same time. He
simply did not know what it was to be a good Catholic like me (even though I
am now an atheist).

Quoted message said:

BTW - do you really think that people were less sexually active back then?

At least they knew they were sinning when they were sinning. That is a huge
improvement over the likes of you.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Yea, I
only want to talk to God. I would like to only live in my monastic cell

and

Quoted message said:

have mystic visions of God, the Saints and to taste Heaven! What is so

wrong

Quoted message said:

about that?

You would get a lot of heartfelt support if you were to take a vow of
silence with respect to Usenet (I'd put you on my Christmas card list if
you
did).

I could see this coming - which is why I said it!

Quoted message said:

You could also join a monastery if you wanted to. I hear they're hiring,
but
your puffed up claims of "greatness" might not go over so well in that
environment.

No, it is not possible to join a monastery when you no longer believe. I am
an atheist and there is just no way I could hide this very significant fact
about myself. They would boot me out in very short order because they would
not know what I was praying about or meditating on.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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Anyone who is into sexual behavior without the express intent of

creating

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

new life (babies) is nothing but human scum. God abhors all such and

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Devil is waiting for you in Hell!

Surely you must be aware of how bizarre that sentiment sounds to normal
people, ED. By your reckoning, 99% of humanity is "human scum". This
alone
would be enough for most folks to characterize you as mentally ill.

GaryG is a libertine

Meaning, "anyone who's normal, and not afraid of sexuality".

Quoted message said:

and can therefore never understand what it means to be
pure and holy like me. Let me repeat so it will perhaps finally sink in:

Do "pure and holy" people consider 99% of the rest of the world "human
scum", as you seem to imply?

Quoted message said:

"Anyone who is into sexual behavior without the express intent of creating
new life (babies) is nothing but human scum." - Ed Dolan

You've stated this before...it amounts to a statement of self-loathing and
fear. I strongly recommend repeating it to a qualified mental health
provider...perhaps it's not too late for you to get some help.

Quoted message said:

Libertinism is now the accepted norm of the era we are living in, but it

was

Quoted message said:

not always so.

Do you have any evidence that the overall rate of sexual expression, or the
forms thereof, or the purposes for which people engage in it, has changed
significantly from what it was in the past? Or, do you simply have a
fantasy of a "purer" time in the distant past when your fears would not have
made you look so bizarre?

Quoted message said:

Anyone who is capable of rational thought knows that the only
purpose of sex is to create new life. Any other purpose is clearly a
perversion.

If you really believe this, you're a sick man, ED.

Quoted message said:

I had a sociology professor at the University of Minnesota who tried to

tell

Quoted message said:

us that sex is also useful as a bonding mechanism between the parents - to
keep them together long enough to ensure the survival of their children.
God, I just about threw up when I heard that. I didn't believe it for a
moment. It is nothing but a rationalization for perversion. The one and

only

Quoted message said:

purpose of sex is to create new life - period! Thus spake Zarathustra!

Quoted message said:

Have you ever discussed your fears of sexuality and intimacy with a
qualified mental health professional?

What fear? A better word is contempt for a biological function which is

only

Quoted message said:

important (and indeed sacred) if and when you want to create new life.

Contempt for a perfectly normal biological and emotional function = Fear.

Quoted message said:

[...]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Any other path and all you will know
are matters of the groin along with the lower animals of creation.

Earth to ED - Believe it or not, it's possible to lead a life rich with
intellectual and physical challenges, creativity and joy, and also to
experience love, intimacy, and (gasp!) sex (both for pleasure, and for
procreative purposes).

No, pleasure is forbidden. What the hell do you think the Garden of Eden

was

Quoted message said:

all about?

There was no Garden of Eden, ED. Just as there was no "original sin". And
pleasure is only "forbidden" by virtue of your screwed up mental state.

GG

Quoted message said:

But you are a libertine, so what would you know. If we can know
some pleasures of the mind and of the spirit in our lives, that is all we
are entitled to. The pleasures of the flesh are reserved for the lower
animals of creation. Are you perhaps one of them?
[...]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It is my intention to come back after death as a Mighty Sequoia Tree.
Yea,
and then I shall lord it over all these pitiful humans who fancy

themselves

Quoted message said:

the lords of creation with all their pathetic sexual hang-ups. Ed

Dolan,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the

Quoted message said:

Mighty Sequoia Tree - now there is a thought to wrap your mind around!

The phallic symbolism of your post-reincarnation desires is deliciously
ironic, ED....a "mighty sequoia tree" indeed (better late than ever,

eh?).

Quoted message said:

Such a symbolism never even occurred to me. If you had ever been around a
Mighty Sequoia Tree you would know what I am talking about, but you are
mired in libertinism and not capable of any Great Thoughts like Saint

Edward

Quoted message said:

the Great.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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"GaryG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

[...]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Anyone who is into sexual behavior without the express intent of

creating

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

new life (babies) is nothing but human scum. God abhors all such and

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Devil is waiting for you in Hell!

Surely you must be aware of how bizarre that sentiment sounds to normal
people, ED. By your reckoning, 99% of humanity is "human scum". This
alone
would be enough for most folks to characterize you as mentally ill.

GaryG is a libertine

Meaning, "anyone who's normal, and not afraid of sexuality".

Quoted message said:

and can therefore never understand what it means to be
pure and holy like me. Let me repeat so it will perhaps finally sink in:

Do "pure and holy" people consider 99% of the rest of the world "human
scum", as you seem to imply?

Quoted message said:

"Anyone who is into sexual behavior without the express intent of creating
new life (babies) is nothing but human scum." - Ed Dolan

You've stated this before...it amounts to a statement of self-loathing and
fear. I strongly recommend repeating it to a qualified mental health
provider...perhaps it's not too late for you to get some help.

Quoted message said:

Libertinism is now the accepted norm of the era we are living in, but it

was

Quoted message said:

not always so.

Do you have any evidence that the overall rate of sexual expression, or the
forms thereof, or the purposes for which people engage in it, has changed
significantly from what it was in the past? Or, do you simply have a
fantasy of a "purer" time in the distant past when your fears would not have
made you look so bizarre?

Quoted message said:

Anyone who is capable of rational thought knows that the only
purpose of sex is to create new life. Any other purpose is clearly a
perversion.

If you really believe this, you're a sick man, ED.

Quoted message said:

I had a sociology professor at the University of Minnesota who tried to

tell

Quoted message said:

us that sex is also useful as a bonding mechanism between the parents - to
keep them together long enough to ensure the survival of their children.
God, I just about threw up when I heard that. I didn't believe it for a
moment. It is nothing but a rationalization for perversion. The one and

only

Quoted message said:

purpose of sex is to create new life - period! Thus spake Zarathustra!

Quoted message said:

Have you ever discussed your fears of sexuality and intimacy with a
qualified mental health professional?

What fear? A better word is contempt for a biological function which is

only

Quoted message said:

important (and indeed sacred) if and when you want to create new life.

Contempt for a perfectly normal biological and emotional function = Fear.

Quoted message said:

[...]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Any other path and all you will know
are matters of the groin along with the lower animals of creation.

Earth to ED - Believe it or not, it's possible to lead a life rich with
intellectual and physical challenges, creativity and joy, and also to
experience love, intimacy, and (gasp!) sex (both for pleasure, and for
procreative purposes).

No, pleasure is forbidden. What the hell do you think the Garden of Eden

was

Quoted message said:

all about?

There was no Garden of Eden, ED. Just as there was no "original sin". And
pleasure is only "forbidden" by virtue of your screwed up mental state.

GG

Quoted message said:

But you are a libertine, so what would you know. If we can know
some pleasures of the mind and of the spirit in our lives, that is all we
are entitled to. The pleasures of the flesh are reserved for the lower
animals of creation. Are you perhaps one of them?
[...]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It is my intention to come back after death as a Mighty Sequoia Tree.
Yea,
and then I shall lord it over all these pitiful humans who fancy

themselves

Quoted message said:

the lords of creation with all their pathetic sexual hang-ups. Ed

Dolan,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the

Quoted message said:

Mighty Sequoia Tree - now there is a thought to wrap your mind around!

The phallic symbolism of your post-reincarnation desires is deliciously
ironic, ED....a "mighty sequoia tree" indeed (better late than ever,

eh?).

Quoted message said:

Such a symbolism never even occurred to me. If you had ever been around a
Mighty Sequoia Tree you would know what I am talking about, but you are
mired in libertinism and not capable of any Great Thoughts like Saint

Edward

Quoted message said:

the Great.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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Quoted message said:

"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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[...]

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Quoted message said:

GaryG is a libertine

Meaning, "anyone who's normal, and not afraid of sexuality".

Main Entry: lib·er·tine
Pronunciation: 'li-b&r-"tEn
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English libertyn freedman, from Latin libertinus, from
libertinus, adjective, of a freedman, from libertus freedman, from liber
1 usually disparaging : a freethinker especially in religious matters
2 : a person who is unrestrained by convention or morality; specifically :
one leading a dissolute life
- libertine adjective

Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

I mean of course the second definition to apply to you.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and can therefore never understand what it means to be
pure and holy like me. Let me repeat so it will perhaps finally sink in:

Do "pure and holy" people consider 99% of the rest of the world "human
scum", as you seem to imply?

What 99% would that be? Just because you are dissolute does not mean that
everyone else is.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"Anyone who is into sexual behavior without the express intent of
creating
new life (babies) is nothing but human scum." - Ed Dolan

You've stated this before...it amounts to a statement of self-loathing and
fear. I strongly recommend repeating it to a qualified mental health
provider...perhaps it's not too late for you to get some help.

In a more sane age it is GaryG who would seeing a mental health expert. In
my chosen time he would be before the Spanish Inquisition to be burned at
the stake in order that his immortal soul be saved.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Libertinism is now the accepted norm of the era we are living in, but it

was

Quoted message said:

not always so.

Do you have any evidence that the overall rate of sexual expression, or
the
forms thereof, or the purposes for which people engage in it, has changed
significantly from what it was in the past? Or, do you simply have a
fantasy of a "purer" time in the distant past when your fears would not
have
made you look so bizarre?

It is how it is regarded that matters, not whether it is engaged in or not.
You are a libertine because you do not regard it as immoral. You are worse
than the worst sinner because the worst sinner knows that he sins.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Anyone who is capable of rational thought knows that the only
purpose of sex is to create new life. Any other purpose is clearly a
perversion.

If you really believe this, you're a sick man, ED.

Nope, you are perverted if you believe sex is all about fun and games.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I had a sociology professor at the University of Minnesota who tried to

tell

Quoted message said:

us that sex is also useful as a bonding mechanism between the parents -
to
keep them together long enough to ensure the survival of their children.
God, I just about threw up when I heard that. I didn't believe it for a
moment. It is nothing but a rationalization for perversion. The one and

only

Quoted message said:

purpose of sex is to create new life - period! Thus spake Zarathustra!

Quoted message said:

Have you ever discussed your fears of sexuality and intimacy with a
qualified mental health professional?

What fear? A better word is contempt for a biological function which is

only

Quoted message said:

important (and indeed sacred) if and when you want to create new life.

Contempt for a perfectly normal biological and emotional function = Fear.

"Nope, you are perverted if you believe sex is all about fun and games." -
Ed Dolan

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

[...]

Quoted message said:

> Any other path and all you will know
> are matters of the groin along with the lower animals of creation.

Earth to ED - Believe it or not, it's possible to lead a life rich with
intellectual and physical challenges, creativity and joy, and also to
experience love, intimacy, and (gasp!) sex (both for pleasure, and for
procreative purposes).

No, pleasure is forbidden. What the hell do you think the Garden of Eden

was

Quoted message said:

all about?

There was no Garden of Eden, ED. Just as there was no "original sin".
And
pleasure is only "forbidden" by virtue of your screwed up mental state.

Try to learn to think in symbols. It matters not whether there was a Garden
of Eden or not. It does matter that we can know what it represents.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"GaryG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

[...]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

GaryG is a libertine

Meaning, "anyone who's normal, and not afraid of sexuality".

Main Entry: lib·er·tine
Pronunciation: 'li-b&r-"tEn
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English libertyn freedman, from Latin libertinus, from
libertinus, adjective, of a freedman, from libertus freedman, from liber
1 usually disparaging : a freethinker especially in religious matters
2 : a person who is unrestrained by convention or morality; specifically :
one leading a dissolute life
- libertine adjective

Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

I mean of course the second definition to apply to you.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and can therefore never understand what it means to be
pure and holy like me. Let me repeat so it will perhaps finally sink in:

Do "pure and holy" people consider 99% of the rest of the world "human
scum", as you seem to imply?

What 99% would that be? Just because you are dissolute does not mean that
everyone else is.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"Anyone who is into sexual behavior without the express intent of
creating
new life (babies) is nothing but human scum." - Ed Dolan

You've stated this before...it amounts to a statement of self-loathing and
fear. I strongly recommend repeating it to a qualified mental health
provider...perhaps it's not too late for you to get some help.

In a more sane age it is GaryG who would seeing a mental health expert. In
my chosen time he would be before the Spanish Inquisition to be burned at
the stake in order that his immortal soul be saved.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Libertinism is now the accepted norm of the era we are living in, but it

was

Quoted message said:

not always so.

Do you have any evidence that the overall rate of sexual expression, or
the
forms thereof, or the purposes for which people engage in it, has changed
significantly from what it was in the past? Or, do you simply have a
fantasy of a "purer" time in the distant past when your fears would not
have
made you look so bizarre?

It is how it is regarded that matters, not whether it is engaged in or not.
You are a libertine because you do not regard it as immoral. You are worse
than the worst sinner because the worst sinner knows that he sins.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Anyone who is capable of rational thought knows that the only
purpose of sex is to create new life. Any other purpose is clearly a
perversion.

If you really believe this, you're a sick man, ED.

Nope, you are perverted if you believe sex is all about fun and games.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I had a sociology professor at the University of Minnesota who tried to

tell

Quoted message said:

us that sex is also useful as a bonding mechanism between the parents -
to
keep them together long enough to ensure the survival of their children.
God, I just about threw up when I heard that. I didn't believe it for a
moment. It is nothing but a rationalization for perversion. The one and

only

Quoted message said:

purpose of sex is to create new life - period! Thus spake Zarathustra!

Quoted message said:

Have you ever discussed your fears of sexuality and intimacy with a
qualified mental health professional?

What fear? A better word is contempt for a biological function which is

only

Quoted message said:

important (and indeed sacred) if and when you want to create new life.

Contempt for a perfectly normal biological and emotional function = Fear.

"Nope, you are perverted if you believe sex is all about fun and games." -
Ed Dolan

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

[...]

Quoted message said:

> Any other path and all you will know
> are matters of the groin along with the lower animals of creation.

Earth to ED - Believe it or not, it's possible to lead a life rich with
intellectual and physical challenges, creativity and joy, and also to
experience love, intimacy, and (gasp!) sex (both for pleasure, and for
procreative purposes).

No, pleasure is forbidden. What the hell do you think the Garden of Eden

was

Quoted message said:

all about?

There was no Garden of Eden, ED. Just as there was no "original sin".
And
pleasure is only "forbidden" by virtue of your screwed up mental state.

Try to learn to think in symbols. It matters not whether there was a Garden
of Eden or not. It does matter that we can know what it represents.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"GaryG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

[...]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

GaryG is a libertine

Meaning, "anyone who's normal, and not afraid of sexuality".

Main Entry: lib·er·tine
Pronunciation: 'li-b&r-"tEn
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English libertyn freedman, from Latin libertinus, from
libertinus, adjective, of a freedman, from libertus freedman, from liber
1 usually disparaging : a freethinker especially in religious matters
2 : a person who is unrestrained by convention or morality; specifically :
one leading a dissolute life
- libertine adjective

That's pretty funny...my friends think I'm a pretty conventional guy.

Quoted message said:

Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

I mean of course the second definition to apply to you.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and can therefore never understand what it means to be
pure and holy like me. Let me repeat so it will perhaps finally sink

in:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Do "pure and holy" people consider 99% of the rest of the world "human
scum", as you seem to imply?

What 99% would that be? Just because you are dissolute does not mean that
everyone else is.

My point was that it's highly ironic for someone who claims to be "pure and
holy" to even use the terms "human scum". Just another clear indication of
how warped your thinking really is.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"Anyone who is into sexual behavior without the express intent of
creating
new life (babies) is nothing but human scum." - Ed Dolan

You've stated this before...it amounts to a statement of self-loathing

and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

fear. I strongly recommend repeating it to a qualified mental health
provider...perhaps it's not too late for you to get some help.

In a more sane age it is GaryG who would seeing a mental health expert. In
my chosen time he would be before the Spanish Inquisition to be burned at
the stake in order that his immortal soul be saved.

You're funny when you're angry, ED.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Libertinism is now the accepted norm of the era we are living in, but

it

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

was

Quoted message said:

not always so.

Do you have any evidence that the overall rate of sexual expression, or
the
forms thereof, or the purposes for which people engage in it, has

changed

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

significantly from what it was in the past? Or, do you simply have a
fantasy of a "purer" time in the distant past when your fears would not
have
made you look so bizarre?

It is how it is regarded that matters, not whether it is engaged in or

not.

Quoted message said:

You are a libertine because you do not regard it as immoral. You are worse
than the worst sinner because the worst sinner knows that he sins.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Anyone who is capable of rational thought knows that the only
purpose of sex is to create new life. Any other purpose is clearly a
perversion.

If you really believe this, you're a sick man, ED.

Nope, you are perverted if you believe sex is all about fun and games.

I've never said that sex is "all about fun and games"...it's way more
significant than that. It's also about closeness, bonding, intimacy, love,
making babies (at some points in life), and yes...fun and games too.

Once again, your statements reveal much about your fears, and your lack of
experience in this area.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I had a sociology professor at the University of Minnesota who tried to

tell

Quoted message said:

us that sex is also useful as a bonding mechanism between the parents -
to
keep them together long enough to ensure the survival of their

children.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

God, I just about threw up when I heard that. I didn't believe it for a
moment. It is nothing but a rationalization for perversion. The one and

only

Quoted message said:

purpose of sex is to create new life - period! Thus spake Zarathustra!

> Have you ever discussed your fears of sexuality and intimacy with a
> qualified mental health professional?

What fear? A better word is contempt for a biological function which is

only

Quoted message said:

important (and indeed sacred) if and when you want to create new life.

Contempt for a perfectly normal biological and emotional function =

Fear.

Quoted message said:

"Nope, you are perverted if you believe sex is all about fun and games." -
Ed Dolan

See above...it's about much more than that (though that's part of it).

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

[...]

>> Any other path and all you will know
>> are matters of the groin along with the lower animals of creation.
>
> Earth to ED - Believe it or not, it's possible to lead a life rich

with

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> intellectual and physical challenges, creativity and joy, and also to
> experience love, intimacy, and (gasp!) sex (both for pleasure, and

for

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> procreative purposes).

No, pleasure is forbidden. What the hell do you think the Garden of

Eden

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

was

Quoted message said:

all about?

There was no Garden of Eden, ED. Just as there was no "original sin".
And
pleasure is only "forbidden" by virtue of your screwed up mental state.

Try to learn to think in symbols. It matters not whether there was a

Garden

Quoted message said:

of Eden or not. It does matter that we can know what it represents.

So, if it wasn't real, then why should we continue to be ruled by Bronze Age
mythology? If there was no "Garden of Eden", and no "original sin", why do
we have to deny ourselves pleasure in this life (assuming consenting
adults)?

Again, the answer is clear...your disgust with intimacy and sexuality is
nothing more than your own deep-seated fears (and possibly some form of
mental illness).

BTW - this has been fun, but I have to sign off for the next couple of
weeks. I'm off to Colorado for a business trip, and a week of cycling in
the Rockies. Have a good time while I'm gone...and try to get laid if you
can (it might improve your outlook on life...you won't know until you try
it).

GG

Quoted message said:

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"GaryG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

[...]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

GaryG is a libertine

Meaning, "anyone who's normal, and not afraid of sexuality".

Main Entry: lib·er·tine
Pronunciation: 'li-b&r-"tEn
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English libertyn freedman, from Latin libertinus, from
libertinus, adjective, of a freedman, from libertus freedman, from liber
1 usually disparaging : a freethinker especially in religious matters
2 : a person who is unrestrained by convention or morality; specifically :
one leading a dissolute life
- libertine adjective

That's pretty funny...my friends think I'm a pretty conventional guy.

Quoted message said:

Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

I mean of course the second definition to apply to you.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and can therefore never understand what it means to be
pure and holy like me. Let me repeat so it will perhaps finally sink

in:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Do "pure and holy" people consider 99% of the rest of the world "human
scum", as you seem to imply?

What 99% would that be? Just because you are dissolute does not mean that
everyone else is.

My point was that it's highly ironic for someone who claims to be "pure and
holy" to even use the terms "human scum". Just another clear indication of
how warped your thinking really is.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"Anyone who is into sexual behavior without the express intent of
creating
new life (babies) is nothing but human scum." - Ed Dolan

You've stated this before...it amounts to a statement of self-loathing

and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

fear. I strongly recommend repeating it to a qualified mental health
provider...perhaps it's not too late for you to get some help.

In a more sane age it is GaryG who would seeing a mental health expert. In
my chosen time he would be before the Spanish Inquisition to be burned at
the stake in order that his immortal soul be saved.

You're funny when you're angry, ED.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Libertinism is now the accepted norm of the era we are living in, but

it

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

was

Quoted message said:

not always so.

Do you have any evidence that the overall rate of sexual expression, or
the
forms thereof, or the purposes for which people engage in it, has

changed

Quoted message said:

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significantly from what it was in the past? Or, do you simply have a
fantasy of a "purer" time in the distant past when your fears would not
have
made you look so bizarre?

It is how it is regarded that matters, not whether it is engaged in or

not.

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You are a libertine because you do not regard it as immoral. You are worse
than the worst sinner because the worst sinner knows that he sins.

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Anyone who is capable of rational thought knows that the only
purpose of sex is to create new life. Any other purpose is clearly a
perversion.

If you really believe this, you're a sick man, ED.

Nope, you are perverted if you believe sex is all about fun and games.

I've never said that sex is "all about fun and games"...it's way more
significant than that. It's also about closeness, bonding, intimacy, love,
making babies (at some points in life), and yes...fun and games too.

Once again, your statements reveal much about your fears, and your lack of
experience in this area.

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I had a sociology professor at the University of Minnesota who tried to

tell

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us that sex is also useful as a bonding mechanism between the parents -
to
keep them together long enough to ensure the survival of their

children.

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God, I just about threw up when I heard that. I didn't believe it for a
moment. It is nothing but a rationalization for perversion. The one and

only

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purpose of sex is to create new life - period! Thus spake Zarathustra!

> Have you ever discussed your fears of sexuality and intimacy with a
> qualified mental health professional?

What fear? A better word is contempt for a biological function which is

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important (and indeed sacred) if and when you want to create new life.

Contempt for a perfectly normal biological and emotional function =

Fear.

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"Nope, you are perverted if you believe sex is all about fun and games." -
Ed Dolan

See above...it's about much more than that (though that's part of it).

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>> Any other path and all you will know
>> are matters of the groin along with the lower animals of creation.
>
> Earth to ED - Believe it or not, it's possible to lead a life rich

with

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> intellectual and physical challenges, creativity and joy, and also to
> experience love, intimacy, and (gasp!) sex (both for pleasure, and

for

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> procreative purposes).

No, pleasure is forbidden. What the hell do you think the Garden of

Eden

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all about?

There was no Garden of Eden, ED. Just as there was no "original sin".
And
pleasure is only "forbidden" by virtue of your screwed up mental state.

Try to learn to think in symbols. It matters not whether there was a

Garden

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of Eden or not. It does matter that we can know what it represents.

So, if it wasn't real, then why should we continue to be ruled by Bronze Age
mythology? If there was no "Garden of Eden", and no "original sin", why do
we have to deny ourselves pleasure in this life (assuming consenting
adults)?

Again, the answer is clear...your disgust with intimacy and sexuality is
nothing more than your own deep-seated fears (and possibly some form of
mental illness).

BTW - this has been fun, but I have to sign off for the next couple of
weeks. I'm off to Colorado for a business trip, and a week of cycling in
the Rockies. Have a good time while I'm gone...and try to get laid if you
can (it might improve your outlook on life...you won't know until you try
it).

GG

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Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota