Mark Hickey said:Quoted message said:Quoted message said:> That's how he got us into the war and can't and won't get out
> even though the rest of civilized nations urge that course.
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:Quoted message said:Funny, he's doing precisely what he said he'd do all along. He
never said it would be quick or easy.
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:What would be quick or easy? Why is our military in Iraq? What is
the purpose of this disaster to that country's, national,
financial, and human losses? I can see it takes time but what is
this time doing for any of the problems of the USA or Iraq?
Quoted message said:50 million Afghanis and Iraqis no longer living under despotic
dictators. Terrorists no longer using Afghanistan and Iraq as
hospitable training grounds, nor are they receiving state support.
A tremendously dangerous and aggressive leader who had previously
attacked two neighboring country, and who could have disrupted the
world oil supply - gone.
Oops! Neither of those statements is correct. Afghanistan is being
run by war lords and Iraq is a disaster zone filled with terrorists of
every stripe according to daily reports.
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:Quoted message said:> This is the main thread of the current administration, to not
> accept information that goes against their vision... Iraqis will
> welcome us with open arms, etc.
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:Quoted message said:The rank and file Iraqis (and Afghanis) are very glad that we took
out their despotic leadership. And it's no surprise they'd like us
to leave as soon as things are "stable" (that's a relative term in
the middle east). I'm sure the folks in Japan and Germany felt the
same way, though it took much, much, much longer to get them sorted
out.
How do you know this? From what I have heard from the BBC and other
public radio sources, Iraq is a deathly disaster zone. You must be
listening to USIA information service.
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:Ohhh, lend me your rose colored glasses. From whom did you hear that
the rank and file (sounds military to me) people of either country is
glad for our military intervention.
Quoted message said:From every poll taken in Iraq. They would obviously prefer it if we
leave as soon as possible - but most of them were (not sure about
the latest polls) certain that "as soon as possible" was still in
the near future.
I'm not so sure of that. There are enough people there who realize
that there is no security even if the US forces leave. The US has
created a situation that puts it in a damned if you do and damned if
you don't position often called a rock and a hard place. The US
created that problem and it is not easily repaired. I have seen no
scenarios that offers a good solution.
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:Afghanistan is practically back where it was before our adventure
there except that different folks are in charge. Opium market is
in full swing and only a couple of principal cities are even
slightly under civilian control. Let's not even talk about Iraq,
where we have unleashed terror attacks from all sides on people who
used to go about their daily lives in a far more secure and
peaceful land, albeit under a dictator who spent time going after
opponents rather than the entire population that is being
terrorized now.
Quoted message said:Has it occurred to you that the very reason the terrorists are so
active before the turnover to the Iraqi interim government is
because they realize the danger (to them...) of what's happening.
With an open society that allows "real education", and provides the
potential for prosperity, their power diminishes to nothing. You
have to be able to convince someone that he has no future if you
want him to strap explosives around his chest and blow up a bus.
I think you are putting the cart before the horse. As I said, the US
created the quagmire and it is worse than Vietnam where there was a
government that could take over, albeit a communist one in Hanoi.
Here there is no such savior.
Jobst Brandt
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