Re: I get tired real fast after dinner.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

I just love this smarmy top-posting stunt that the humbly devout Chung
does to divert attention from his getting his entire ass handed to him.
And his progressively more smelly sock "John"...

So what I'll do is remove all of Chung's macro and leave what else he
added to this one. Don't be shocked at how little remains...

Discourse by robotic thinking... What a guy!

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Dear Bob: Andrew

Bob (this one) said:

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John wrote:

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> On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 23:52:50 +0200, Thorsten Schier
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>

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>>> John schrieb:
>>>

>>>>> On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 00:03:27 GMT, "Jeff"
>>>>> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>
>
>>>>>>> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]>
>>>>>>> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:[email hidden]...
>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>> John wrote:
>
>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>> Let's resort to the dictionary - in this
>>>>>>>>>>> case I choose an on-line medical dictionary
>>>>>>>>>>> from www.dictionary.com. Main Entry: 1di·et
>>>>>>>>>>> Pronunciation: 'dI-&t Function: noun 1 :
>>>>>>>>>>> food and drink regularly provided or
>>>>>>>>>>> consumed

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On this foolish *diet* it would be 2 pounds "regularly consumed."
Every day. Regularly. What happens with regularity.

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>>>>>>>>>>> 2 : habitual nourishment

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On this *diet* it would be that which adherents have *habitually
consumed*, just 2 pounds of it. What they always eat, *habitually*.
What they eat as a matter of normal course. *Habitually*.

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>>>>>>>>>>> 3 : the kind and amount of food prescribed
>>>>>>>>>>> for a person or animal for a special reason
>>>>>>>>>>>

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On this *diet*, it's the kind *habitually consumed* - *prescribed*
to be 2 pounds for the *special reason* of losing weight. Ties it
all together nice and neat.

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>>>>>>>>>>> Source: Merriam-Webster's Medical
>>>>>>>>>>> Dictionary, © 2002 Merriam-Webster, Inc.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The 2PD-OMER Approach does not meet #1
>>>>>>>>>>> because of the word "regularly". The
>>>>>>>>>>> Approach is a NEW thing, not the regular
>>>>>>>>>>> thing.

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It's not about the "approach," it's about the consumers. It's what
*they* regularly consume.

Your deliberate choice to use "regular" to mean "not novel" and
refer to the 2 pound *diet* is a shabby way to try to get around
what it really means. The definitions about are about the behavior
of the people involved.

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>>>>> Definition 3 is the only one that comes close to
>>>>> describing the word diet when used in a prescriptive
>>>>> format. Definitions 1 and 2 would apply for the case
>>>>> where the word is used to describe a person's state
>>>>> _before_ treatment.

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So? Chung says to *continue* eating as before, just less of it.
Same stuff before and after. Food and drink regularly consumed is
exactly what Chung says - just less of it.

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>> Remember this is a medical definition here so you

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>>>>> need to think in a medical context.

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Bwah...

Like you represent anything even remotely authoritative either
about medicine or logic or English.

The simple fact of the matter is that all three elements of that
definition fit like a

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>>>>>>>>>>> It does not meet #2 because of "habitual".
>>>>>>>>>>> If people habitually followed the approach,
>>>>>>>>>>> there would be no obesity or any need for
>>>>>>>>>>> the Approach.

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Except that isn't what *habitually* means in the context.

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>>>>>>>>>>> It does not meet #3 because this requires
>>>>>>>>>>> BOTH kind AND amount of food and the
>>>>>>>>>>> 2PD-OMER Approach specifies only the AMOUNT
>>>>>>>>>>> but not the KIND.
>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The kind is anything you want.
>
>>>>>
>>>>> I.e., not specified. Therefore, kind is not part of
>>>>> the Approach, therefore the Approach is not a diet per
>>>>> definition 3. QED.

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Save your QED's for when you actually demonstrate somehting. The
diet has two major components - continue eating as before -
speficied for each individual - and limit it to 2 pounds. BOth what
and how much all laid out.

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>>> So what about Atkins? According to you that wouldn't be a
>>> diet either as it restricts only the kind and not the
>>> amount of what people eat.

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>
> So maybe you don't have diet until you dovetail Atkins with
> 2PD-OMER. I think Dr. Chung has suggested this in the past.

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Sure. He also "suggests" that an omer is 2 pounds. Guarantees
credibility and resoect for those "suggestions."

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>>> However, most people will probably prefer to call Atkins
>>> aproach a diet, so it seems that your usage of language is
>>> unusual.

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That's a nice way to say ignorant and self-serving.

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> Your should take up your issue with the publishers of the above
> cited dictionary, not me. It is their definition, not mine.

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And it nails your feeble ass to the wall. Learn to read.

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> I am merely applying their definition in our context. I did
> choose which dictionary to use - a medical one - as that seems
> most appropriate for this group.

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And skewered you dead to rights.

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> Obviously, in common parlance, the word 'diet' can mean any
> number of things depending on the context.

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And, as here with the full endorsement of a medical dictionary, it
means that the wacko 2PD remains a wacko *diet* and demolishes your
flaccid efforts to draw fire from sockmaster Chung.

Nice try, "John." Bwah...

Pastorio

Then here's some more of what you "love:"

http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A

The way to the truth is straight and narrow:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A

You will remain in my prayers, dear Bob whom I love, in Lord Christ's
holy name.

May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and
Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the
fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom.

Here's how:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
His presence known here on Usenet :-)

Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16
oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what
"omer" literally means in Hebrew.

Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS)
thereby bringing this thread back on topic in these NGs :-)

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

**
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Bob (this one) said:

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

I just love this smarmy top-posting stunt that the humbly devout Chung
does to divert attention from his getting his entire ass handed to him.
And his progressively more smelly sock "John"...

So what I'll do is remove all of Chung's macro and leave what else he
added to this one. Don't be shocked at how little remains...

Discourse by robotic thinking... What a guy!

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Dear Bob: Andrew

Bob (this one) said:

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John wrote:

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>> On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 23:52:50 +0200, Thorsten Schier
>> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>

>>>> John schrieb:
>>>>
>
>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 00:03:27 GMT, "Jeff"
>>>>>> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]>
>>>>>>>> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:[email hidden]...
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> John wrote:
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Let's resort to the dictionary - in this
>>>>>>>>>>>> case I choose an on-line medical dictionary
>>>>>>>>>>>> from www.dictionary.com. Main Entry: 1di·et
>>>>>>>>>>>> Pronunciation: 'dI-&t Function: noun 1 :
>>>>>>>>>>>> food and drink regularly provided or
>>>>>>>>>>>> consumed

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On this foolish *diet* it would be 2 pounds "regularly consumed."
Every day. Regularly. What happens with regularity.

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>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 : habitual nourishment

Quoted message said:

On this *diet* it would be that which adherents have *habitually
consumed*, just 2 pounds of it. What they always eat, *habitually*.
What they eat as a matter of normal course. *Habitually*.

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>>>>>>>>>>>> 3 : the kind and amount of food prescribed
>>>>>>>>>>>> for a person or animal for a special reason
>>>>>>>>>>>>

Quoted message said:

On this *diet*, it's the kind *habitually consumed* - *prescribed*
to be 2 pounds for the *special reason* of losing weight. Ties it
all together nice and neat.

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>>>>>>> Source: Merriam-Webster's Medical
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dictionary, © 2002 Merriam-Webster, Inc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The 2PD-OMER Approach does not meet #1
>>>>>>>>>>>> because of the word "regularly". The
>>>>>>>>>>>> Approach is a NEW thing, not the regular
>>>>>>>>>>>> thing.

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It's not about the "approach," it's about the consumers. It's what
*they* regularly consume.

Your deliberate choice to use "regular" to mean "not novel" and
refer to the 2 pound *diet* is a shabby way to try to get around
what it really means. The definitions about are about the behavior
of the people involved.

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>>>>>> Definition 3 is the only one that comes close to
>>>>>> describing the word diet when used in a prescriptive
>>>>>> format. Definitions 1 and 2 would apply for the case
>>>>>> where the word is used to describe a person's state
>>>>>> _before_ treatment.

Quoted message said:

So? Chung says to *continue* eating as before, just less of it.
Same stuff before and after. Food and drink regularly consumed is
exactly what Chung says - just less of it.

>>> Remember this is a medical definition here so you

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>>>>>> need to think in a medical context.

Quoted message said:

Bwah...

Like you represent anything even remotely authoritative either
about medicine or logic or English.

The simple fact of the matter is that all three elements of that
definition fit like a

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>>>>>>> It does not meet #2 because of "habitual".
>>>>>>>>>>>> If people habitually followed the approach,
>>>>>>>>>>>> there would be no obesity or any need for
>>>>>>>>>>>> the Approach.

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Except that isn't what *habitually* means in the context.

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>>>>>>>>>>>> It does not meet #3 because this requires
>>>>>>>>>>>> BOTH kind AND amount of food and the
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2PD-OMER Approach specifies only the AMOUNT
>>>>>>>>>>>> but not the KIND.
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The kind is anything you want.
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I.e., not specified. Therefore, kind is not part of
>>>>>> the Approach, therefore the Approach is not a diet per
>>>>>> definition 3. QED.

Quoted message said:

Save your QED's for when you actually demonstrate somehting. The
diet has two major components - continue eating as before -
speficied for each individual - and limit it to 2 pounds. BOth what
and how much all laid out.

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>>>> So what about Atkins? According to you that wouldn't be a
>>>> diet either as it restricts only the kind and not the
>>>> amount of what people eat.

>>
>> So maybe you don't have diet until you dovetail Atkins with
>> 2PD-OMER. I think Dr. Chung has suggested this in the past.

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Sure. He also "suggests" that an omer is 2 pounds. Guarantees
credibility and resoect for those "suggestions."

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>>>> However, most people will probably prefer to call Atkins
>>>> aproach a diet, so it seems that your usage of language is
>>>> unusual.

Quoted message said:

That's a nice way to say ignorant and self-serving.

Quoted message said:

>> Your should take up your issue with the publishers of the above
>> cited dictionary, not me. It is their definition, not mine.

Quoted message said:

And it nails your feeble ass to the wall. Learn to read.

Quoted message said:

>> I am merely applying their definition in our context. I did
>> choose which dictionary to use - a medical one - as that seems
>> most appropriate for this group.

Quoted message said:

And skewered you dead to rights.

Quoted message said:

>> Obviously, in common parlance, the word 'diet' can mean any
>> number of things depending on the context.

Quoted message said:

And, as here with the full endorsement of a medical dictionary, it
means that the wacko 2PD remains a wacko *diet* and demolishes your
flaccid efforts to draw fire from sockmaster Chung.

Nice try, "John." Bwah...

Pastorio

Andrew B. Chung said:

Then here's some more of what you "love:"

I just love this smarmy top-posting stunt that the humbly devout
Chung does to divert attention from his getting his entire ass handed to
him. And his progressively more smelly sock "John"...

So what I'll do is remove all of Chung's macro and leave what else he
added to this one.

Discourse by robotic thinking... What a guy!

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Dear Bob:

<robot thinking deleted>

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Andrew

Pastorio

In conclusion:

"Men (and women) can't win arguments... The truth **wins** arguments."

Go ahead and face the truth, dear Bob:

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Truth is invincible:

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The way to the truth is straight and narrow:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A

You will remain in my prayers, dear Bob whom I love, in Lord Christ's
holy name.

May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and
Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the
fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom.

Here's how:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
His presence known here on Usenet :-)

Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16
oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what
"omer" literally means in Hebrew.

Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS)
thereby bringing this thread back on topic in these NGs :-)

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

**
Suggested Reading:

(1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA
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(3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
(7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

Bob (this one) said:

Andrew B. Chung said:

Then here's some more of what you "love:"

I just love this smarmy top-posting stunt that the humbly devout
Chung does to divert attention from his getting his entire ass handed to
him. And his progressively more smelly sock "John"...

So what I'll do is remove all of Chung's macro and leave what else he
added to this one.

Discourse by robotic thinking... What a guy!

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Dear Bob:

<robot thinking deleted>

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Andrew

Pastorio