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Re: How to determine MTB headset size/type

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  1. David Bonnell said:

    I've got a low-end Giant MTB frame and I'm not sure what type of
    headset is required. The frame is likely a '00 or '01. It is
    definitely not a zerostack compatible headset (I have an '02 Giant
    that is).

    Are there any web references/guides that can help out? I saw
    Sheldon's headset crib sheet, but that didn't help.
    The cane creek website was slightly better, with a .pdf of various
    integrated headtube dimensions. Arggh. I wish they (the headset and
    bicycle companies) would just stick with one design!!

    FWIW, the headtube inner diameter is approx. 1 5/8" ( < 42 mm), and
    the depth is pretty shallow...about 5/16" (8 mm). There appears to be
    wear at the bottom, as if bearings were installed directly in the
    headtube itself. I guess that would make this an "integrated" headset
    (rather than an "internal" headset). Hope I can find a replacement...

    No promises without an exact measurement, but I'm pretty sure it's a
    particular nasty, obscure-ish semi-integrated (aka internal) size
    that's very uncommon overall but that Giant has used on some bikes.
    Does each end of the headtube have a flat internal shoulder at the end
    of that 8mm, as opposed to any kind of angular surface there? If so,
    it's just a freaky size that not a lot of people are familiar with,
    but Giant dealers can order and sell you. It's in their catalog that
    all dealers will have.

    It may or may not be the same or have some relation to the standard
    described here as "Microtech": http://parktool.com/repair/readhowto.asp?id=68
    .. I know it probably looks similar, but the Giant I've seen that used
    this had zerostack-style pressed cup that are just their own funky
    size. But that was an 05 road bike.

    Also, aside from inch-based measurements often used to describe
    steerer sizes, everything regarding headset standards is normally and
    best communicated in metric.

    Hiddenset also uses headtubes with an ID of 41.8ish, but there is an
    angled seat for the bearing and wouldn't be found on a cheap mountain
    bike from 7 years ago anyway.

  2. I'm an idiot. The 'internal' cups are actually pressed into the
    frame, but a black paint job on headtube and cups made it look as if
    the cups were simply part of the frame...and you never know what
    you'll end up with when dealing with a mass-manufacturer, cost-cutting
    entity like Giant.

    Interestingly, I have cartridge bearings (in good condition) that fit
    in the cups. Regardless, I suppose a new headset is the best option,
    since I (clearly) know very little about headsets. I have my doubts
    that it is even possible to track down compatible remaining parts
    (crown race, etc.).

  3. David Bonnell said:

    I'm an idiot. The 'internal' cups are actually pressed into the
    frame, but a black paint job on headtube and cups made it look as if
    the cups were simply part of the frame...and you never know what
    you'll end up with when dealing with a mass-manufacturer, cost-cutting
    entity like Giant.

    Interestingly, I have cartridge bearings (in good condition) that fit
    in the cups. Regardless, I suppose a new headset is the best option,
    since I (clearly) know very little about headsets. I have my doubts
    that it is even possible to track down compatible remaining parts
    (crown race, etc.).

    try J and B Importers catalogue for Pyramid

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