Re: How many are healthy?

On 01 Apr 2004 00:04:57 GMT, Toby Joe <[email hidden]>

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(Hawki63) said:

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From: Toby Joe [email hidden]
> Define "healthy".

* One which is disease free
* Free of chronic pain or discomfort
* Functioning normally, even if not optimally

Toby

I would surmise (guess) that the answer is MOST colons are
healthy

Not among older people, according to this ref (one from your lot
yesterday): Every second person over 60 yrs has diverticulosis.

Have you considered that the development of diverticulosis is genetic
and age related and that perhaps there is not much one can do to
prevent it other than to (maybe) eat a high fiber diet and not stain
while having bowel movement?? Is there any evidence that colonics will
reduce the incidence of diverticuli??

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And between 10 and 25% of those will develop diverticulitis.
www.dccc.edu/studentservices/health/diver.htm
(I'll see if I can find some figures for younger age groups).

That would mean that between 5 and 12% of people over 60 has
diverticulitis. That seems rather high to me. In any case what
evidence is there that colonics will reduce the incidence of
diverticulitis??

It is one thing to identify a problem and quite another to come up
with a solution to the problem. You need to have some evidence of
efficacy before recommending a treatment that potentially can cause
harm.

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...trying to quantify it..is sorta like asking "how many women
have cramps with their period?)

We have pretty much accepted period pain as "normal"...
But I don't accept that having diverticulosis is the sign of a healthy
colon.

Maybe having diverticulosis is a part of aging. If you get old enough
you will probably end up getting it. But most of the time it is
asymptomatic and causes no problems.

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...I cannot see why it matters..

Because the implied argument against any need for trying colonics, afaict,
is that there is no need of them as most people have healthy colons.

You persistently suggest that colonics can be useful without providing
any objective evidence of this. I would ask you again but it is
obvious that you will not respond.

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So, I
am questioning whether that is so, and trying to find out how many people
do have healthy colons.

If someone has diverticulosis and has no symptoms and no problems
secondary to the diverticuli then would you say that they had
unhealthy colons??

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I used to perform flex sigmoidoscopies (screening... as in...preventative
and early detection)..

I would estimate that I did in the range of 10,000.,,,,,,,I did find
polyps in maybe a few %% of people...almost none were malignant..

Divertics as I said are common...but not problem

A truly healthy colon wouldn't have diverticulosis.

How do you know that?? Like I said if you get old enough maybe almost
everyone will get them. They could be just a normal part of aging. How
many people have diverticulosis and lead otherwise normal healthy
lives never even knowing that they had them??

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And, 'Osis is a precursor for 'Itis, by which time it really is serious.

Indeed it could be. Aging causes lots of changes in the body. Until we
discover the fountain of youth there may not be much to be done.

Aloha,

Rich

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Every second person over 60 yrs has diverticulosis.

divertics are not unhealthy in and of themselves...

consider them the "wrinkles" of the aging process....many folks will get
them...so will at some time get "itis" which is easily treated if caught
earlier

far far more folks do NOT have "itis"...

again...diet..fiber..exercise and water should do the trick for MOST

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And between 10 and 25% of those will develop diverticulitis.
www.dccc.edu/studentservices/he

diverticulitis is not life threatening..if caught at the first sign of
pain..etc..simple antiobiotics will wipe it out..

diverticulosis..obviously..cannot be reversed..nor are we really quite sure why
some get it..some don't ..

so if 50% of the elderly have wrinkled faces..does that mean wrinkles are
abnormal?? or a normal part of aging..

I cannot recall seeing a reference which truly can say why ONLY 50% have tics
....

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But I don't accept that having diverticulosis is the sign of a healthy
colon.

it is the sign of a normal colon in an older person...has nothing to do with
"healthy"...

..>is that there is no need of them as most people have healthy colons. So, I

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am questioning whether that is so, and trying to find out how many people
do have healthy colons.

btw...what do you think a colonic or cleanse will DO for those with tics
anyway?? you do remember that I stated that tics are like the weakened wall of
a balloon...it is not broken...increasing the pressure in the colon COULD
conceivably break that weak spot...

now you have peritonitis...now THAT is unhealthy//

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A truly healthy colon wouldn't have diverticulosis.

boy you are stubborn!! perhaps you need to do some more reading on this..

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Yeah. And those screenings would give the person a chance to have the
general health of their own colon evaluated, not just for cancer or
precancerous polyps, but more

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generally. Eg, Many diverts? Many polyps?
Are they large or small? any minor inflamation? potential for blockages
- narrowing, etc? colon enlarged? and anything else.

actually this is true...which is why we recommend them
hawki.....