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Re: Half marathon, low carb, ignorant questions

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  1. "Ignoramus19552" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    My feeling, which I am planning on verifying, is that my endurance is
    now better (and my knees also). Given that, I am entertaining the idea
    of running a half marathon, which should be about 2+ hours of running
    lightly, which is not a terrible leap from where I am.

    Ig:

    If your primary purpose is experimental, you might try just building up over
    the course of about several weeks to a 13 mile run. Add 1-2 extra miles each
    week to *one* run a week, and keep your other runs each week short (30-45
    minutes). When you build up one long run a week, do it one week on your
    paleo diet, and repeat a couple weeks later (do just shortish, easy runs in
    between) at the same time and pace, having reincorporated carbs into your
    diet for 24 hrs beforehand and consuming the typical high-carb fuels that
    runners consume during long runs (sports drink or fuel gels).

    My guess is that somewhere around the 1:45 or 2 hr mark, you will begin to
    feel distinctly crappier on the no-carb plan than with some carbs
    before/during.

    You might want to doctor your water to replace electrolytes once you start
    running 2+ hours. A cheap homemade solution can be made with 1/4 tsp regular
    salt (sodium) and 1/4 tsp salt substitute (potassium) per liter of water.
    You could mask the taste with Crystal Lite or unflavored Kool Aid, I
    imagine.

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    My question is, I am not wanting to win that half marathon, just run
    through it. Would it be sufficient to try to run for, say, 1-1.5 hours
    and see if I am too tired by the end? Is it possible to do on a low
    carb diet, given that I am in a reasonable average condition? Or, is
    there a radical difference betwene running for 1 hour vs. two hours?

    In my experience, yes--there's a significant difference between running for
    1 hour vs. running for 2 hours, and depending on your conditioning and
    strategies, it's possible to feel pretty good after a 1 hr run, while
    feeling like you got hit by a Mac truck if you try to double that. I think a
    couple factors play into that: (1) it becomes increasingly difficult to
    manage your lactate levels at longer distances (i.e., I find it's not too
    hard to run a "comfortable, moderate" pace for an hour, but doing so does
    build up some lactic acid in the muscles. If you then tack on another
    hour--ugh. Lactic acid buildup causes your muscles to burn or feel really
    sore--if you walk for a bit, it often helps. The sort of pace you have to
    stick to keep lactic acid levels low for 2+ hours often feels uncomfortably
    slow; and (b) you start flirting with glycogen and/or electrolyte depletion.
    That sort of "ugh" is not the burning soreness of lactic acid, but an
    insanely heavy leaden feeling. Walking for a couple minutes doesn't help
    much. If you experience muscle cramps, it *may* be an electrolyte
    imbalance.

    Anyhow, if you're smart about it, I don't think there's anything inherently
    dangerous about attempting to run 13 miles on your paleo diet, although you
    might find it gets unpleasant after 2 hrs. If you have any lingering
    soreness in your joints or tendons as you build up, take some time to rest
    up. And run slow to minimize lactic acid--you'll still burn the same # of
    calories for a given distance and will still be able to compare the energy
    utilization efficiency of the two different diets.

  2. Ignoramus474 said:

    In case if you missed it, I experimented yesterday and ran for 1 hour
    and 35 minutes. I had to end the run because of an extreme case of
    runners trots. (google for what it is). Barely made it to the toilet🙂

    Have you considered the possibility that you had problems
    precisely because of your paleo diet? (E.g., perhaps it has
    caused a modest electrolyte imbalace that was exacerbated by the
    exercise.) The possibility should at least be on the table.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    My guess is that somewhere around the 1:45 or 2 hr mark, you will begin to
    feel distinctly crappier on the no-carb plan than with some carbs
    before/during.

    Quite possibly so. But, at 1:35, I was basically fine, save for that
    annoying condition.

    When I ran my 18 mile benchmark I was strong at 2:30, fine but
    slowing down at 2:45, and walking at 2:55. I had no warning since
    I had repeatedly run to 2:30-2:45 without any problems. Things
    can change very quickly.

    Quoted message said:

    Well, my thinking is, on LC my glycogen was already depleted to begin
    with (due to diet), so I was running on fat stores -- which can be
    sustained for a long time. Fat does not run out. (I have plenty of it)

    The Kreb cycle, the main aerobic mechanism, still requires
    glycogen. There are alternate metabolic pathways but they are far
    less efficient.

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