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Re: grains and man

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  1. As usual, long on assertion, short on demonstrated knowledge; one
    definition of which is ignorance. The 90 percent loss in animal feeding
    conversion is extremely important to understand the rise of complex
    cultures and why animals were not fed grain as their principle food
    source, that you are ignorant of this is only added demonstration of what
    is perfectly clear about the foundation of your spin on this material.
    Here you are having seen 1/3 of a series and not having read the book and
    demonstrating not having understood accurately what you did see, and
    suddenly an expert is born. This particular area of research has been one
    of my academic concentrations for probably longer then you have lived. If
    I wanted bar talk I would go to a bar for sodden opinions aplenty.

    "No one said anything about conversion energy losses. That is irrelevant
    to the discussion.

    The fact is that grains offered a ready supply of animal feed, in
    return the animals supplied meat, milk, fertilizer, and the power to
    till more land and grow more crop which in turn fed more people and
    more animals, etc.

    Grain enabled the formation of small combined farms where animals are
    raised along with the crops. The efficiency of that kind of operation
    gave rise to cultural and economic development unseen before.

    Prior to this they lived as hunter gatherers having to depend on the
    hunt for their meat needs. Now they had meat available in their
    domesticated animals, which would not have happened without grains and
    the resultant agriculture.

    The grains enabled them to raise more meat.

    And keep your ad hominem to yourself. When you accuse others of being
    ignorant of facts and they then prove you to be the more ignorant, you
    end up looking like a real idiot. Jackass."

  2. Quoted message said:

    As usual, long on assertion, short on demonstrated knowledge; one
    definition of which is ignorance. The 90 percent loss in animal feeding
    conversion is extremely important to understand the rise of complex
    cultures and why animals were not fed grain as their principle food
    source, that you are ignorant of this is only added demonstration of what
    is perfectly clear about the foundation of your spin on this material.
    Here you are having seen 1/3 of a series and not having read the book and
    demonstrating not having understood accurately what you did see, and
    suddenly an expert is born. This particular area of research has been one
    of my academic concentrations for probably longer then you have lived. If
    I wanted bar talk I would go to a bar for sodden opinions aplenty.

    Why are you so damned rude? You are protesting just a wee bit too much.

    Grains are used for feed directly, as well as the stalks fed as hay. It
    ain't rocket science.

    The fact is that agriculture (beginning with grains) led to the
    operation of mixed farms which involves keeping animals in a very
    efficient (comparatively speaking) food production. The growing of
    grains led to the domestication of farm animals.

    TC

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