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Re: Frewwhel width-chain questions

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  1. A shy person said:

    I am trying to upgrade my 1970's screw type freewheel to a 7 speed.

    The bike was originally a 120mm 5 speed. It was stretched to a 126mm
    6 speed and a Suntour Ultra 6 installed. The same chain was used.

    Now I'd like to go to a 7 speed. But, I am confused about the spacing
    on 7 speeds. Are they the same width as the 6 speed cluster that I
    have or are some 126mm and some 130mm ?If it's a 7 speed in 126 mm, do
    I need a new narrow) chain to fit the freewheel and will that
    work on my vintage (1970's) Stronglight crankset ? If I need a
    narrow chain, what do I look for when buying it?

    I'd rather not stretch the frame again and deal with all the related
    issues... including alignment, a longer axle, etc so I'm hoping that
    there is some way to do this in the same space I have.

    This is a bit confusing, because the whole idea of an _Ultra 6_ is that
    it's skinny so it fits on the same wheel, same 120 spacing as a standard
    width 5-speed. If the freewheel you bought is really an _Ultra_, there
    was no need to have spread the frame.

    Your memory may be playing you false here...you should measure the
    actual frame spacing. See also my article on this:

    http://sheldonbrown.com/frame-spacing

    7-speed or full-width ("regular"😉 6-speeds fit 126 mm spacing.

    7-speed sprocket-to-sprocket spacing is basically the same as Ultra 6,
    so they use the same chains. Any modern chain will work with any
    7-speed freewheel. I generally go with the SRAM PC-58.

    You should always replace the chain when you install a new freewheel.

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  2. I said:
    Quoted message said:

    7-speed sprocket-to-sprocket spacing is basically the same as Ultra 6,
    so they use the same chains. Any modern chain will work with any
    7-speed freewheel. I generally go with the SRAM PC-58.
    You should always replace the chain when you install a new freewheel.
    You should always replace the chain when you install a new freewheel.

    A shy person said:

    So I can use a Suntour 7 as long as I get a new chain. Kuel.

    Bonus Question: I've also seen some Sachs 7 speed "vintage" freewheels
    for sale. Will these also fit 126mm spacing/narrow chain or will
    they be 130mm/wide chain ?

    Any 7-speed freewheel will work with a properly set up 126 mm hub.

    Quoted message said:

    Double bonus: anyone know if a Sachs freewheel uses the old Regina
    type remover tool?

    Most of them use the current Shimano splined freewheel tool, such as the
    Park FR-1.

    See: http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/tools/freewheel.html

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  3. Quoted message said:
    Sheldon Brown said:

    This is a bit confusing, because the whole idea of an _Ultra 6_ is that
    it's skinny so it fits on the same wheel, same 120 spacing as a standard
    width 5-speed. If the freewheel you bought is really an _Ultra_, there
    was no need to have spread the frame.

    Your memory may be playing you false here...you should measure the
    actual frame spacing. See also my article on this:

    - Bob - said:

    OK... back from another excursion with the caliper. The frame is
    definitely at 126mm as I measured before. The freewheel is not an
    ultra - a caliper on it shows that it's wider that a 5sp and
    the same as an early shimano cassette I have hanging around. I
    was misled by the fact that the original box (believe it or not,
    still hanging around 20 or more years) was marked "NW UL" as
    the part number prefix.


    -snip-

    Quoted message said:

    Double bonus: anyone know if a Sachs freewheel uses the old Regina
    type remover tool?

    What do you mean by "Regina tool"? Two notches, skinny
    splines or fat splines? Sachs are the same as UG Shimano.
    Regina made evrything at one time or another.

    Regarding your NWN question:
    If the sixth cog screws directly on the body, it's an Ultra
    Six. If the sixth cog hangs out from the second-highest
    gear, you have a Regular Six New Winner. And Sheldon's right
    a usual, BTW.

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    Andrew Muzi
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  4. A Muzi wrote in message <[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:


    What do you mean by "Regina tool"? Two notches, skinny
    splines or fat splines? Sachs are the same as UG Shimano.
    Regina made evrything at one time or another.

    Regarding your NWN question:
    If the sixth cog screws directly on the body, it's an Ultra
    Six. If the sixth cog hangs out from the second-highest
    gear, you have a Regular Six New Winner. And Sheldon's right
    a usual, BTW.

    Or A four peg Sachs

    Trevor

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