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    I am a solid and tall man (with a little bit of gut) weighing in at
    240. After reading your pages, Sheldon, and with growing curiosity I
    bought a Specialized Langster and set it up to be a fixed gear with the
    stock gearing.... not sure exactly what it is. I love to ride it and
    have not been on another bike since the day I rode it home.

    But, I just cannot seem to slow down any considerable amount much less
    stop
    with my pedals and I realize this is a function of weight and gearing,
    but is there some key technique that I am missing? I have no desire to
    remove my front brake in any case, but I do feel like I'm missing out
    on some of the fixed gear good feeling.

    BTW: Thanks a million for all the help you've given me w/ your advice
    and webpages.

  2. Robb Monn said:

    I am a solid and tall man (with a little bit of gut) weighing in at
    240. After reading your pages, Sheldon, and with growing curiosity I
    bought a Specialized Langster and set it up to be a fixed gear with the
    stock gearing.... not sure exactly what it is. I love to ride it and
    have not been on another bike since the day I rode it home.

    But, I just cannot seem to slow down any considerable amount much less
    stop
    with my pedals and I realize this is a function of weight and gearing,
    but is there some key technique that I am missing?

    It's mainly a function of gearing. The stock 48/16 gearing gives a Gain
    Ratio of 5.9 (79 inches, 6.3 meters) which is pretty much flatland
    gearing. A gear this high doesn't give you much leverage to slow down
    with your feet.

    The lower the gear, the better the "braking" is. However, generally
    speaking, the _higher_ the gear, the more fun the ride, as long as the
    gear isn't so high you can't climb the local hia lls.

    My snow bike is geared 28/15. That's a 3.7 Gain Ratio* (49 inches, 3.9
    meters.) With a gear that low, I never need to use the brake.

    Another aspect of this is that higher gears let you go faster, so the
    reduced "braking" effect becomes more noticeable.

    I said that you can't easily _slow_down_ with a high gear, but actually,
    you can do a skid stop even with a fairly high gear. That's because the
    sliding friction of the rear tire is considerably less than its rolling
    traction. Once you get a skid started, you can keep it going until the
    tire blows if you've a mind to.

    There is a trick to this:

    As one of the pedals begins to rise from the bottom of a stroke, lock
    your knee so the rising pedal starts to lift your body upwards. When
    the cranks get horizontal, pull up with the front foot and push down
    with the rear. Because your body will have gained upward momentum from
    the rising pedal, you'll be able to pretty much unweight the rear wheel
    for a moment. That's when you initiate the skid.

    Quoted message said:

    I have no desire to
    remove my front brake in any case,

    No, don't do that, it's much more fun to ride with a front brake, 'cause
    you can go a lot faster without worrying about being able to stop.

    Quoted message said:

    but I do feel like I'm missing out on some of the fixed gear good feeling.

    No worries there, just keep riding fixed and you'll experience all of it.

    Quoted message said:

    BTW: Thanks a million for all the help you've given me w/ your advice
    and webpages.

    Welcome to the cult. Now all of _your_ friends will think you're nuts too!

    Sheldon "Had A Great Ride With My Wife On Our Fixed-Gear Tandem
    Yesterday" Brown
    (http://sheldonbrown.org/picchio)
    +--------------------------------------------------------------+
    | Weed - a plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered. |
    | --R.W. Emerson |
    +--------------------------------------------------------------+
    *Gain ratio is a new system for measuring bicycle gearing.
    It is explained in detail on my Web site at:
    http://sheldonbrown.com/gain

    Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts
    Phone 617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041
    http://harriscyclery.com
    Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide
    http://captainbike.com http://sheldonbrown.com

  3. Sheldon Brown said:
    Robb Monn said:

    I am a solid and tall man (with a little bit of gut) weighing in at
    240.

    I'm not tall, but I'm built QUITE solidly and have a little bit of gut
    myself and weigh about 225. I ride fixed all the time.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    After reading your pages, Sheldon, and with growing curiosity I bought
    a Specialized Langster and set it up to be a fixed gear with the stock
    gearing.... not sure exactly what it is. I love to ride it and have
    not been on another bike since the day I rode it home.

    But, I just cannot seem to slow down any considerable amount much less
    stop with my pedals and I realize this is a function of weight and
    gearing, but is there some key technique that I am missing?

    It's mainly a function of gearing. The stock 48/16 gearing gives a Gain
    Ratio of 5.9 (79 inches, 6.3 meters) which is pretty much flatland
    gearing.

    Coincidentally, I also ride 46/16 with 170mm cranks and 700Cx23 rear wheel.

    I'm in Portland, Oregon, not exactly flatland, but not San Francisco,
    either. It sure can be slow going over Mt. Tabor or up to Hoyt Arboretum
    (I've even zoobombed on the thing), but I have big legs and just power
    through it.

    I can stop with my legs if I have a bit of time to do so (and skid if I
    absolutely have no other choice), but I have a front brake that I use for
    anything close to an emergency.

    Quoted message said:

    A gear this high doesn't give you much leverage to slow down
    with your feet.

    You're definitely working against the gearing, but it's not impossible.

    You DO have clipless pedals (or at least good, strong toe clips), don't
    you?

    I tend to just ride my weight on the rear leg while pulling up just a
    touch on the most vertical part of the downstroke with the front leg on
    each revolution. Riding fixed gives you a very good feel for your cadence
    and the speed of the bike, so if you can time this without any trouble and
    keep good balance, you can stop in about four or five revolutions from a
    normal riding speed. Now, on my bike, that four revolutions is something
    like 70 feet, so be aware of that.

    Quoted message said:

    The lower the gear, the better the "braking" is. However, generally
    speaking, the _higher_ the gear, the more fun the ride, as long as the
    gear isn't so high you can't climb the local hia lls.

    Agreed!

    Quoted message said:

    Another aspect of this is that higher gears let you go faster, so the
    reduced "braking" effect becomes more noticeable.

    I mostly ride in the city and on my work commute (from N. Portland to
    Milwaukie), so the speed really helps.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I have no desire to remove my front brake in any case,

    No, don't do that, it's much more fun to ride with a front brake, 'cause
    you can go a lot faster without worrying about being able to stop.

    Um, yeah, don't do that. It's for kids that want to look cool.

    EK

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