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Re: Fat Loss 4 Who?

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    ... But, I figured, I needed something to shake up my
    metabolism -- even if I lost nothing at least I would be shocking
    myself off the plateau. Sure enough, after a monthlong stall, as of
    day seven ( today) -- I dropped six pounds.

    Let's see. You just barely qualified for a stall (you did use the
    tape measure and confirm you weren't losing inches, right? If
    you did not you weren't stalled because you were probably losing
    inches. It's very common to alternate between losing pounds
    and losing inches and when it comes down to it inches count
    more for most folks).

    Of course rather than trying the first, second, third or fourth
    things on the stall buster list, you tried something not on the
    list. You're giving in to the temptation to try the most extreme
    option available and that's bad news for chances of surviving
    maintenance.

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    I just can't figure out WHY. Six pounds in a week is pretty fast --

    There's no reason to think your recent activity caused it. You
    were doing fine so there's no reason to believe that it wasn't your
    regular plan that caused the whoosh.

    That said, I have long believed that change matters as much as
    whatever ou current plan is. No matter what the current plan, a
    sudden change tends to trigger a whoosh. Taken only as a plan
    to make sudden radical ranges the week you're on a qualified
    stall, this is terrible because it sets up a vicious cycle of
    alternating
    between plans.

    I offer a different perspective for how to use this feaute that change
    is better - Whatever your quotas were last week, pick different ones
    this week and different ones next week. During early Atkins OWL
    the quota increases weekyl until out of ketonuria and that counts as
    change. The normal process is to cruise at 5-10 under the amount
    that kicked you out of ketonuria, steady at a stable quota. I suggest
    being at that level every other week and the other weeks picking some
    different carb quota. Shake it up week by week. It seems to work
    great by the few who try it.

    Quoted message said:

    and it can't be water because I've been on straight lowcarb for two
    months. The bellyball that was depressing the hell out of me a week
    ago is...gone? How can that be?

    Possibility that has nothing to do with calories or carb counts
    or calorie shifting - Is there some food that you almost always
    eat that isn't in that wierd plan? You may have a previously
    unknown food intolerance that expresses itself as 6 pounds of
    water bloating. Maybe this is the first time in years you've gone
    a week without eggs? Or without dairy or whatever? Consider
    it a suspect and in a few weeks add it back in and see if the
    whoosh reverse. If it does, remove it again and write off whatever
    it is as a personal poison.

    Quoted message said:

    c
    So this is what they eat in Alternate Reality.

    Chortle.

  2. Doug Freyburger said:
    Quoted message said:

    ... But, I figured, I needed something to shake up my
    metabolism -- even if I lost nothing at least I would be shocking
    myself off the plateau. Sure enough, after a monthlong stall, as of
    day seven ( today) -- I dropped six pounds.

    Let's see. �You just barely qualified for a stall (you did use the
    tape measure and confirm you weren't losing inches, right? �If
    you did not you weren't stalled because you were probably losing
    inches. �It's very common to alternate between losing pounds
    and losing inches and when it comes down to it inches count
    more for most folks).

    Oh, dude, don't be such a Church Lady. I was stalled, I know I was
    stalled, and I've been in maintenance for almost five years, not
    counting my recent descent into hell.

    Quoted message said:

    Of course rather than trying the first, second, third or fourth
    things on the stall buster list, you tried something not on the
    list. �You're giving in to the temptation to try the most extreme
    option available and that's bad news for chances of surviving
    maintenance.

    Actually I did try Stillman for a few days, a fat fast for a few days
    after that, and I also tried to add carbs at some point. I stacked for
    a week and lost nothing but also did not die. I was not losing pounds.
    I was not losing inches. I was dead. In. The. Water. I know the "stall
    list" like I know the lyrics to Happy Birthday. I do know what I'm
    doing, chief.

    Quoted message said:

    There's no reason to think your recent activity caused it. �You
    were doing fine so there's no reason to believe that it wasn't your
    regular plan that caused the whoosh.

    Okay. Now that's true.

    Quoted message said:

    That said, I have long believed that change matters as much as
    whatever ou current plan is. �No matter what the current plan, a
    sudden change tends to trigger a whoosh. �Taken only as a plan
    to make sudden radical ranges the week you're on a qualified
    stall, this is terrible because it sets up a vicious cycle of
    alternating
    between plans.

    Doug? Why is it bad to alternate between plans again? And why, if I'm
    stalling, should I wait another four weeks or something to *be sure*
    I'm in a stall? I knew two weeks ago I was burning nothing. I am at
    one with my pants size in this regard.

    Quoted message said:

    I offer a different perspective for how to use this feaute that change
    is better - Whatever your quotas were last week, pick different ones
    this week and different ones next week. �During early Atkins OWL
    the quota increases weekyl until out of ketonuria and that counts as
    change. �The normal process is to cruise at 5-10 under the amount
    that kicked you out of ketonuria, steady at a stable quota. �I suggest
    being at that level every other week and the other weeks picking some
    different carb quota. �Shake it up week by week. �It seemsto work
    great by the few who try it.

    Yeahyeahyeah but *assuming* it actually *is* the loonytune eating plan
    that's working, WHY is it working? Or is your theory that the only
    thing that happened is that I'm eating differently than I did before
    within reasonable caloric parameters and that caused a panic release
    of six pounds of adiposity?

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    and it can't be water because I've been on straight lowcarb for two
    months. �The bellyball that was depressing the hell out of me a week
    ago is...gone? How can that be?

    Possibility that has nothing to do with calories or carb counts
    or calorie shifting - Is there some food that you almost always
    eat that isn't in that wierd plan? �You may have a previously
    unknown food intolerance that expresses itself as 6 pounds of
    water bloating. �Maybe this is the first time in years you've gone
    a week without eggs? �Or without dairy or whatever? �Consider
    it a suspect and in a few weeks add it back in and see if the
    whoosh reverse. �If it does, remove it again and write off whatever
    it is as a personal poison.

    Well. I thought about that too. Also could be the Rhodiola, the
    probiotic, or, like you said, a delayed visit from the Skippy Removal
    Team.

    Maybe.

    Is there truly *no possibility whatsoever* this effin thing is
    actually a viable fatloss protocol?

    c

    Imaginary weight loss? maybe I'm Kimkins!

  3. Quoted message said:

    c

    Imaginary weight loss? maybe I'm Kimkins!

    Naw, you'd need a much bigger imagination! 😉

    --
    http://www.ornery-geeks.org/consulting/

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