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Quoted message said:Quoted message said:Quoted message said:On May 22, 8:47 am, "Hawki" <[email hidden]> wrote:that is easy <<
Try .. harder ..
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:diabetes<<
Diabetes has been **shown** to have increased red blood cell count ..
perhaps...but the subject of thread is "kidney failure".....not kidney
failure CAUSED by increased red blood cell count...kidney failure IN
diabetics is almost always accompanied by severe anemia...due to
erythropoetin secreting issues with the kidneys...
the issue of whether or not diabetics might have increased RBC does NOT mean
their kidneys will fail..
Quoted message said:
"Increased
red blood cell count could be considered as a new aspect of the
insulin
resistance syndrome"
again...insulin resistance syndrome does NOT mean all diabetics...or even
those who happen to display increased RBC will ALSO go into kidney
failure...which is the topic here..
Quoted message said:
http://groups.google.ca/group/misc.health.diabetes/msg/218c4e9f2267db2f?hl=en&
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:hypertension<<
Hypertension has been **shown** to have increased red blood cell
count ..
so what?? topic is kidney failure...
your issue is..I presume...that "increased RBC is assosiated with A B
C"....perhaps they are...that is not important...what is....does this CAUSE
kidney failure...
my stance is...doesn't make a difference...it is not the increased RBC in
the majority of kidney failure patients that is the cause..
Quoted message said:
"The increase in viscosity caused by secondary polycythemia is thought
to be one of the major causes of pulmonary hypertension "
btw...pulmonary hypertension is a different animal than hypertension...
apples and bananas
Quoted message said:
http://tinyurl.com/5dfs6
I'll assume the rest of your work is about as well researched as
those .. ?
actually no need to research...as you do...spent 20 years working in end
stage renal disease and dialysis...
the number one problem with ESRD..is anemia..profound anemia (which btw is
LOW RBC counts).....in 1970 when I started in this business...anemia was so
profound that we were transfused so frequently that...guess what...iron
overload DID become an issue...in those days we did an IV chelation
thingie...drawing off the excess iron....now they have a med to increase
erythropoetin....which BTW..allows one's bone marrow to produce RBC
"naturally" without adding iron stores..
Quoted message said:
Yep ..
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:polycystic kidney disease <<
Sem Hop. 1967 Dec 20;43(53):3391-7. Links
[The polycythemia of polycystic disease of the kidney (apropos of a
case)][Article in French]
Justin-Besancon L, Grivaux M, Baguet JC, Delavierre P.
PMID: 4295456 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:glomerulonephritis<<
Lim CS, Jung KH, Kim YS, Ahn C, Han JS, Kim S, Lee JS. Related
Articles, Links
Secondary polycythemia associated with idiopathic membranous
nephropathy.
Am J Nephrol. 2000 Jul-Aug;20(4):344-6.
PMID: 10970991 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
as for your other "references"....neither suggest that kidney failure
insued...
which I believe was/is the topic being addressed
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Tom
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