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  1. Before considering how valid the book, also read to answer the question
    if "Enzymes survive digestion and what is the source of them in the body:

    http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/mp.html

    Quoted message said:

    I bought the book "The CompleteBook of Enzyme Therapy" which is an
    eye-opener. Has anyone tried using enzyme supplements; if so, what ones and
    what for?

    If you are not using enzyme supplements, are there any foods that you have
    used over a period of time that you feel have helped you regarding
    nutrition/digestion.

    I gather from the book that one should eat even more raw foods in the juice
    form, as well; yogurt, miso, kefir. It is alarming to think that most
    enzymes in food are destroyed by cooking, and these enzymes are necessary
    for digestion; i.e, nutrition.

    Any comments and help and discussion would be a great help to me.
    Thanks,
    Dee

  2. Perhaps an example of the pot calling the kettle black? But I wouldn't
    know. Each have a viewpoint to proselytize, at best.
    Thanks,
    Dee

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    Quoted message said:


    Before considering how valid the book, also read to answer the question
    if "Enzymes survive digestion and what is the source of them in the body:

    http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/mp.html

    Quoted message said:

    I bought the book "The CompleteBook of Enzyme Therapy" which is an
    eye-opener. Has anyone tried using enzyme supplements; if so, what ones
    and
    what for?

    If you are not using enzyme supplements, are there any foods that you have
    used over a period of time that you feel have helped you regarding
    nutrition/digestion.

    I gather from the book that one should eat even more raw foods in the
    juice
    form, as well; yogurt, miso, kefir. It is alarming to think that most
    enzymes in food are destroyed by cooking, and these enzymes are necessary
    for digestion; i.e, nutrition.

    Any comments and help and discussion would be a great help to me.
    Thanks,
    Dee

  3. "Perhaps an example of the pot calling the kettle black? But I wouldn't
    know. Each have a viewpoint to proselytize, at best.
    Thanks,
    Dee"

    To "know" is where science comes in, the url provided provides the science
    underlying their conclusions, can the same be said for those who advocate
    that category of supplement? Science let's us, over time, get out of the
    "he said she said" pick and choose opinion and come to an informed
    conclusion based on repeatable controlled research, far too much of those
    advocating these products have only testimonials. If these substances are
    not destroyed by digestion then it should be quite easy to find them x
    amount of time after ingestion in the blood stream in proportion as an
    increase. If they are destroyed by digestion then no such increase can be
    shown. That should be the first step for any scientific basis for
    thinking they enter the blood and do this or another beneficial thing.

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    Quoted message said:

    "Perhaps an example of the pot calling the kettle black? But I wouldn't
    know. Each have a viewpoint to proselytize, at best.
    Thanks,
    Dee"

    To "know" is where science comes in, the url provided provides the science
    underlying their conclusions, can the same be said for those who advocate
    that category of supplement? Science let's us, over time, get out of the
    "he said she said" pick and choose opinion and come to an informed
    conclusion based on repeatable controlled research, far too much of those
    advocating these products have only testimonials. If these substances are
    not destroyed by digestion then it should be quite easy to find them x
    amount of time after ingestion in the blood stream in proportion as an
    increase. If they are destroyed by digestion then no such increase can be
    shown. That should be the first step for any scientific basis for
    thinking they enter the blood and do this or another beneficial thing.

    Quoted message said:

    can the same be said for those who advocate
    that category of supplement?

    Dr. Anthony Cichoke, the author of this book, is only selling his book,
    not his supplements, as far as I understand. Most of the pages are
    reference, with a comprehensive bibliography, an extensive appendix of
    manufactures who sell enzymes, which one could find in almost any large
    company's catalog, such as Vitamin Shoppe, Vitamin World, etc. I don't
    know.

    As far as research being done on enzymes, there has been extensive research
    done over the last century. Those who don't try to understand the effects
    of food, vitamins, medication, environment, etc. on human beings are doomed
    to illness.

    On the url you sent to read (Quackwatch) is about a particular company and
    their claims for their product (in column one). In the second column, is a
    list of "facts" to dispute these claims, which are 'findings' by Robert S.
    Baratz, MD, DDS, PhD, Manfred Kroger, PhD, (...a detailed analysis of these
    claims.) There is no research sourced for each of their findings.

    Thanks for your opinion.
    My appreciation.
    Dee


  5. Quoted message said:

    Yes, most scientific findings are common knowledge and agreed upon by most
    scientists around the world. Written in tablet.

    There is a difference between things being published every day (pubmed..)
    and things that make it into the textbooks. hence the name "scientific
    common knowledge". Look it up for yourself if you doubt that.

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