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Re: elastic/plastic fundamentals

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  1. "jim beam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    to continue the peter cole's recent pollution on the subject of
    confusing plastic deformation with elastic deformation:

    apparently, carbon fibers are inferior to 6061 aluminum because they
    only elongate 1.5% before failure vs 6061 which he alleged elongates 25%
    before failure.

    first up, he needs to stop exaggerating. 6061 is typically more like
    16% in t4 temper - the common bike application. [various online sources]

    second, and much more important, let's clarify between elastic/plastic
    elongation. for a bike application, we are not interested in the
    material yielding - yielding = failure. let us therefore keep apples to
    apples and concern ourselves with the elastic part of the stress/strain
    graph.

    for /elastic/ deformation, how do carbon and aluminum compare? well,
    since aluminum doesn't typically have strain at yield cited, we can't
    just look it up, so let's do a little math.

    young's modulus is only concerned with the elastic region of this graph,
    and the formula for that is:

    E = stress / strain.

    E and yield stress are commonly cited, hence we can calculate strain at
    yield:

    strain = stress / E

    for a 6061 with E = 69GPa, and 275MPa yield, that gives an elastic
    deformation limit of 0.275/69 x 100% = 0.04%.

    how does that compare again?

    I recommend that you "lurk before you leap"; get a sense of the audience and
    the regular posters before you post.

  2. Paul Borg said:

    "jim beam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    to continue the peter cole's recent pollution on the subject of
    confusing plastic deformation with elastic deformation:

    apparently, carbon fibers are inferior to 6061 aluminum because they
    only elongate 1.5% before failure vs 6061 which he alleged elongates 25%
    before failure.

    first up, he needs to stop exaggerating. 6061 is typically more like
    16% in t4 temper - the common bike application. [various online sources]

    second, and much more important, let's clarify between elastic/plastic
    elongation. for a bike application, we are not interested in the
    material yielding - yielding = failure. let us therefore keep apples to
    apples and concern ourselves with the elastic part of the stress/strain
    graph.

    for /elastic/ deformation, how do carbon and aluminum compare? well,
    since aluminum doesn't typically have strain at yield cited, we can't
    just look it up, so let's do a little math.

    young's modulus is only concerned with the elastic region of this graph,
    and the formula for that is:

    E = stress / strain.

    E and yield stress are commonly cited, hence we can calculate strain at
    yield:

    strain = stress / E

    for a 6061 with E = 69GPa, and 275MPa yield, that gives an elastic
    deformation limit of 0.275/69 x 100% = 0.04%.

    how does that compare again?

    I recommend that you "lurk before you leap"; get a sense of the audience and
    the regular posters before you post.

    Huh? The "jim beam" sock puppet has been posting to rec.bicycles.tech
    for quite a while. Hundreds of posts per month [1] according to Gurgle
    Gropes [2].

    [1]
    <http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=RDMA2RoAAAAGb_Nmb56Lm8pZhJig-dv56HotXmXGgxF1mfxiWXrGzQ&hl=en>.
    [2] gene speak for Google Groups.

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