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Re: Effective liver cleanse?

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    Do you notice how you continue to focus on your perception that those
    who are skeptical of alternative medicine claims think that you are
    some kind of mental defective??

    Why wouldn't I think that?

    Self-Esteem?

    Quoted message said:

    The question was why the high level of
    enthusiasm of so many people to discredit alternative health? The best
    answer I got was (paraphrased) to defend us against lies and ignorance.

    Here on MHA, part of Usenet, there are lots of people peddling snake oil.
    There are lots of desperate, scientifically illierate folks who are easily
    victimized. Plus, some [censored] like to blur the line between biology and
    fantasy by pushing outdated, debunked theories.

    Quoted message said:

    Anybody who has such a strong urge to protect the general public from
    their presumed misuse of allegedly questionable information apparently
    has a higher opinion of his own intelligence than of the intelligence of
    the recipient of the graciously offered help. This is my reasonable
    interpretation of what has been stated.

    So?

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    I trust the general public to discern what is useful information and
    what is not.

    Your trust is misplaced.

    Quoted message said:

    I actually have a high opinion of general human
    intelligence. (Although unfortunately it is frequently tempered by a
    willingness to defer to others who dress nicely and quote statistics.)

    Intelligence alone is not enough, education is also necessary. A person can be
    very bright yet very credulous.

    Quoted message said:

    If a guy asks how to cure a problem, I would assume that this person
    probably knows that there are armies of doctors who would prescribe the
    standard care and has chosen to learn more about alternatives. Then if
    another guy suggests some natural treatment, I would assume that the
    first guy is smart enough to apply his own reasoning to discern whether
    the information is valuable or not. If I were to assume that the
    recipient of the advice needed to be reminded that there are differing
    opinions in the world, and that the medical establishment does not
    support alternative therapies, then I would be demonstrating a lack of
    respect for this person's intelligence. Guess what? We already knew
    about the disagreement when we asked about alternative methods. That's
    where the term "alternative" came from.

    You make a lot of assumptions, many of which are not warranted. Liver cleanses
    are not of any benefit because they do not cleanse the liver, they strain the
    liver.

    As for alternatives, many of the pro-science crowd stand up for Massage, Some
    herbal therapies, properly indicated Chiropractic, and Acupuncture. Again,
    these endorsements are not universal nor unequivocable. There are times when
    they are useful adjuncts or maybe the only thing that helps.

    Bascially, Robbie, you think that someone is paying people to post pro-science
    view points to MHA. Please let me know who is paying and how I can get on the
    payroll.

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