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Re: Do fluctuations during the pedal stroke slow you down?

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  1. "Ron Ruff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    This was posted by joshatzipp on slowtwitch a few days back... same
    thread where tubulars vs clinchers were debated.

    {Snipped}

    Quoted message said:

    Anybody have any idea what he was talking about? I'm getting nothing
    significant anyway I look at it.

    A wild guess but is the clue in the word "slowtwitch". Is it the increased
    peak muscle loading that is occurring to maintain a constant average speed
    up the climb that is fatiguing the muscles earlier in the non-round or slow
    cadence case. Increasing the muscle force will recruit more fast twitch
    fibres and towards the limit they will go anerobic and fatigue. Get your
    model to output peak pedalling force and that should show if there is
    anything in this idea. I'm no physiologist but my guess is that there is a
    maximum peak muscle force that is sustainable for any climb.

    Graham.

  2. Graham Steer said:


    A wild guess but is the clue in the word "slowtwitch". Is it the increased
    peak muscle loading that is occurring to maintain a constant average speed
    up the climb that is fatiguing the muscles earlier in the non-round or slow
    cadence case. Increasing the muscle force will recruit more fast twitch
    fibres and towards the limit they will go anerobic and fatigue. Get your
    model to output peak pedalling force and that should show if there is
    anything in this idea. I'm no physiologist but my guess is that there is a
    maximum peak muscle force that is sustainable for any climb.


    Since the bike's (and pedal's) max positive acceleration coincides with
    the max force point in the stroke, the fluctuations would tend to
    *reduce* peak loads (if anything)... not increase them. In my model
    though, the power (and torque, force) and time are inputs, so these
    values are the same in all cases. The thing that varies is velocity
    (and pedal speed) throughout the stroke... though cadence is fixed.

    At any rate, if fluctuations are bad then *more* weight is "good"...
    not less.

    The fluctuations seem to mimic the effect of biopace rings... where the
    effective gear is reduced in the power portion of the stroke and
    increased near the dead points.

    One way to counteract the variation in pedal speed, would be the "new"
    elliptical rings that increase the gear in the power stroke... but I
    doubt that would really help for most people.

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