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Re: Could This Be Loose Headset?

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  1. Elisa Francesca Roselli said:

    After a little happy riding in November and then a winter lull, I have
    taken to cycling the 9 km to my workplace on my newest bike, Flyzipper,
    a Dahon Impulse P21.

    Quoted message said:

    However, here's the problem. I cannot go really fast on that downhill
    stretch because Flyzipper develops a strange wobble in the front wheel
    at higher speeds. It is as if he is hyper-reactive to the weight of a
    foot on a pedal and starts to slip and swerve in the direction of the
    downward foot. So I have to brake and coast until he straightens up. I
    have yet to learn what it feels like to spin out on his 21st gear.

    There is also a dirt road stretch with some muddy sections. Yesterday in
    one of those muddy patches I nearly went down. Fly swerved suddenly to
    the left, then nearly flattened me to the right.

    This sounds like shimmy. Any bike will shimmy at some speed; what we hope
    for is that the shimmy-speed is beyond what we could reach for other
    reasons. It is usually encountered in downhills because we go faster then.

    Shimmy is a complex phenomenon, a resonance response between the several
    parts of the "system", which includes the rider as the largest component.
    Changing nearly anything can affect shimmy, for better or worse.

    The easiest thing to change will be the rider. Next time you feel shimmy,
    raise yourself up a bit off the saddle. Sounds scary, but it will work.
    This is because shimmy is oscillation, side to side, about the axis of the
    largest component... you. Getting off the saddle removes the pivot, and
    the shimmy will stop.

    Your Dahon is an unusual bike, with very small wheels. That makes it
    likely to have unusual shimmy behavior, and shimmy at the speed you
    describe is unusual.

    Quoted message said:

    So could this wobble be due to a _loose_ headset? How does a loose
    headset feel?

    A loose headset is diagnosed as follows. Straddle the bike with your feet
    on the ground. Hold the front brake tight, and push/pull the bike
    forward and back. If you feel a clunk each time as you rock back and
    forth, the headset is loose. Not likely to cause shimmy, though, except
    to the extent that everything is involved.

    Quoted message said:

    Also, what screw to I have to tighten, ever so slightly, to eliminate
    the problem?

    I think your bike has a traditional threaded headset. You adjust this by
    first loosening the locknut at the top of the headset, then tightening
    the lower nut just a bit. Re-tighten locknut and check again. Repeat
    until satisfied.

    I don't want to get it wrong, and I have no LBS help
    with

    Quoted message said:

    Fly, since I quarreled with the guy at the LBS who only wants to service
    the bikes he sells himself.

    Many thanks,

    Elisa Francesca Roselli
    Ile de France

    Hmm. You live in a fairly large city... with lots of bike shops.
    Certainly you can find another shop willing to help out.

    --

    David L. Johnson

    __o | Let's not escape into mathematics. Let's stay with reality. --
    _`\(,_ | Michael Crichton
    (_)/ (_) |

  2. David L. Johnson said:


    This sounds like shimmy. Any bike will shimmy at some speed; what we hope
    for is that the shimmy-speed is beyond what we could reach for other
    reasons. It is usually encountered in downhills because we go faster then.

    Shimmy is a complex phenomenon, a resonance response between the several
    parts of the "system", which includes the rider as the largest component.
    Changing nearly anything can affect shimmy, for better or worse.

    The easiest thing to change will be the rider. Next time you feel shimmy,
    raise yourself up a bit off the saddle. Sounds scary, but it will work.
    This is because shimmy is oscillation, side to side, about the axis of the
    largest component... you. Getting off the saddle removes the pivot, and
    the shimmy will stop.

    Your Dahon is an unusual bike, with very small wheels. That makes it
    likely to have unusual shimmy behavior, and shimmy at the speed you
    describe is unusual.

    I'd add to this, since I know Elisa's not all that confident a cyclist -
    shimmy can also be stopped (though this means stopping pedalling,
    somethign you don't sound keen to do!) by gently resting the inside of a
    knee/thigh on whatever passes for a top tube on your Flyzipper. Just
    that contact seems to dampen the shimmy for me, and shimmy's always more
    prevalent if I am tense rather than relaxed.

    --

    Velvet

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