Re: cinnamon and insulin

In article <[email hidden]>, markd@toad-
net.com says...

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This is a very complex question. Other things equal, insulin is produced
in response to glucose and stops when glucose is lowered. In a person
without a metabolic disorder this control is very finely tuned and both
insulin and glucose levels don't increase per sey too much in the
blood,ie. as soon as glucose increases insulin reduces it and insulin
production stops. In this case cinnamon will have little or no effect on
the tightly controlled feedback system. With a metabolic disorder the
increases in both glucose and insulin can vary greatly and is greatest
after meals which contain carbs to any degree. If cinnamon increses
insulin sensitivity and/or mimics insulin then the amount of the increase
in blood glucose and insulin should be lower over all. If your thought is
to eat cinnamon so you can eat carbs you are correct, but not because of
the cinnamon but because you have a healthy feedback system.

thanks for the reply. What I'd been thinking of is Perricone's idea that
insulin causes inflammation which causes skin wrinkling - therefore don't
eat sugar. But what if cinnamon (or cloves, turmeric or bay leaves) are
taken with a large dose of sugar (as in, say, a large during/after
workout amount of chocolate to replenish glycogen)?

"thanks for the reply. What I'd been thinking of is Perricone's idea that
insulin causes inflammation which causes skin wrinkling - therefore don't
eat sugar. But what if cinnamon (or cloves, turmeric or bay leaves) are
taken with a large dose of sugar (as in, say, a large during/after
workout amount of chocolate to replenish glycogen)?"

The answer is the same, in a normal person the differences would be little
or no different with any of these. Instead of sugar, eat mixed meals of
whole versions of foods, you get resupplied with muscle and organ stored
glucose stores and have the benefit of the other healthy contents,
including the protein which working out requires. Just as a point of
intrest, cocoa causes an increase in blood insulin, as do milk proteins,
and both in a chocolate bar even more. Insulin can cause problems, but
only if one has a metabolic disorder. In one not so, it is so quickly
used up that there are no problems. For a good source of info for both
health and nutrition and sports training, see this page, he is big on
"sports medicine" and nutrition and has specific advice what to eat for
same:

http://www.drmirkin.com/left_frame.html

Al said:

In article <[email hidden]>, markd@toad-
net.com says...

Quoted message said:

This is a very complex question. Other things equal, insulin is

produced

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

in response to glucose and stops when glucose is lowered. In a person
without a metabolic disorder this control is very finely tuned and both
insulin and glucose levels don't increase per sey too much in the
blood,ie. as soon as glucose increases insulin reduces it and insulin
production stops. In this case cinnamon will have little or no effect

on

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the tightly controlled feedback system. With a metabolic disorder the
increases in both glucose and insulin can vary greatly and is greatest
after meals which contain carbs to any degree. If cinnamon increses
insulin sensitivity and/or mimics insulin then the amount of the

increase

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

in blood glucose and insulin should be lower over all. If your thought

is

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

to eat cinnamon so you can eat carbs you are correct, but not because of
the cinnamon but because you have a healthy feedback system.

thanks for the reply. What I'd been thinking of is Perricone's idea that
insulin causes inflammation which causes skin wrinkling - therefore don't
eat sugar. But what if cinnamon (or cloves, turmeric or bay leaves) are
taken with a large dose of sugar (as in, say, a large during/after
workout amount of chocolate to replenish glycogen)?

I'm sure Mark knows more than I do, but if you want to play in the cracks,
you might search the body-builders' sites for glycerine/glycerol. It doesn't
require insulin to put it into storage in the liver, tho it will use insulin
in the regular way when it comes out for use.

Skinny