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  1. We are seeing the results of life styles, and drugging kids, TV, violent games
    and lack of discipline. This is our future generation. Sad.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/3632137.stm

    Animal noises in the classroom

    By Gary Eason
    BBC News Online education editor

    Teachers who want the government to review its policy of including more
    children with learning difficulties in mainstream schools have been talking
    about the problems it causes.

    Margaret Morgan constantly questions her efforts

    Margaret Morgan, from Ilfracombe in Devon, is beginning her working week at the
    secondary school where she is the deputy head, but also teaches.

    She assumes what she calls her "Joyce Grenfell mode" and enters the classroom.

    Pupil A is perfecting his animal noises - he has attention deficit
    hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) but resists taking his medication.

    B is under the table because C is "going to kill him" - yet again. Two more
    ADHD children.

    D is trying out his latest graffiti "tag" on anything he can find. He has a
    statement of severe learning difficulties: lack of writing skills....

    E is in tears because a division sign is on the board and she "doesn't do
    division". She doesn't read or write either.

    F, who is deaf, cannot find his hearing aid - so he can't hear her.

    She and her two teaching assistants exchange wry smiles and the lesson starts.

    'Failing'

    Ms Morgan, attending the NASUWT union's annual conference in Llandudno, says
    she enjoys her job. Ofsted inspectors have said she is an excellent teacher.

    "But I feel more and more that I'm failing.

    For many of the children I have worked with, inclusion has proved very
    successful

    Celia Foote

    "I seriously question whether for my students I am able to deliver the quality
    education they deserve. I question whether I'm doing the best for them.

    "How fair is it on them that we expect them to learn in a one-size-fits-all
    model?"

    Her account strikes a chord with other teachers.

    Too much

    Union executive member Amanda Haehner, who proposed the resolution describing
    inclusion as a "disaster", recognised in it a class that she taught last year.

    "We all understood Margaret's lesson - we all have classes like that," she
    said.

    David Mills, from Sutton, said the school in which he used to teach was a
    non-selective secondary in an area with grammar schools.

    As a result, it had to cope - or try to - with a large number of boys with
    special educational needs.

    "The constant struggle to cope got the better of me," he said. "I gather the
    situation in the school is far from getting better. Somebody needs to help."

    Allocations

    But the conference rejected a move to have a limit on the numbers of pupils
    with learning and behavioural difficulties that any one school in an area
    should have to take.

    Austin Murphy from Leeds spoke of a previously successful school which, due to
    a reorganisation, had taken in many children with special needs.

    "The school is now in chaos. Riots are commonplace and senior management are
    regularly assaulted," he said.

    But a union executive member, Dave Battye, said the idea of a limit was
    "seductive" but "highly dangerous".

    One child could wreck a lesson, he said - but if he was within whatever quota
    had been agreed there would be nothing the teacher could do about it.

    "We wish off-site provision for those who are destroying mainstream schools."

    Generalisations

    A Leeds teacher, Celia Foote, complained that the conference resolution was
    full of "generalisations".

    For some very vulnerable children, inclusion is a form of child abuse or
    torture

    Fran Oborski
    She agreed with parts of it.

    But it interchanged terms such as behavioural difficulties, disability, special
    educational needs and challenging behaviour.

    "For many of the children I have worked with, who have learning difficulties,
    inclusion has proved very successful and has not caused problems for the
    teachers," she said.

    Children were part of a community and all members of a community should have
    the right to attend their local school unless there were good grounds for not
    doing so.

    'Child abuse'

    But Fran Oborski, from Birmingham, said it was not fair on some of them.

    She had worked in both mainstream and special schools and had run a unit for
    children with emotional and behavioural difficulties.

    Inclusion might work in primary school but not when children moved on to
    secondary education, where they felt inadequate and their self-esteem was
    destroyed.

    "They don't want the embarrassment, when they are 14 years of age, of having a
    special needs assistant tagging along to all their classes, making the
    difference obvious," she said.

    "For some very vulnerable children, inclusion is a form of child abuse or
    torture."

  2. "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    We are seeing the results of life styles, and drugging kids, TV, violent


    games

    Quoted message said:

    and lack of discipline. This is our future generation. Sad.

    Actually, this article shows why blind inclusion of special education kids
    in a classroom is unwise. It has nothing to do with life styles, drugging
    kids, TV, violent video games and lack of discipline.

    Quoted message said:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/3632137.stm

    Animal noises in the classroom

    By Gary Eason
    BBC News Online education editor

    Teachers who want the government to review its policy of including more
    children with learning difficulties in mainstream schools have been


    talking

    Quoted message said:

    about the problems it causes.

    Margaret Morgan constantly questions her efforts

    Margaret Morgan, from Ilfracombe in Devon, is beginning her working week


    at the

    Quoted message said:

    secondary school where she is the deputy head, but also teaches.

    She assumes what she calls her "Joyce Grenfell mode" and enters the


    classroom.

    Quoted message said:


    Pupil A is perfecting his animal noises - he has attention deficit
    hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) but resists taking his medication.

    B is under the table because C is "going to kill him" - yet again. Two


    more

    Quoted message said:

    ADHD children.

    D is trying out his latest graffiti "tag" on anything he can find. He has


    a

    Quoted message said:

    statement of severe learning difficulties: lack of writing skills....

    E is in tears because a division sign is on the board and she "doesn't do
    division". She doesn't read or write either.

    F, who is deaf, cannot find his hearing aid - so he can't hear her.

    She and her two teaching assistants exchange wry smiles and the lesson


    starts.

    Quoted message said:


    'Failing'

    Ms Morgan, attending the NASUWT union's annual conference in Llandudno,


    says

    Quoted message said:

    she enjoys her job. Ofsted inspectors have said she is an excellent


    teacher.

    Quoted message said:


    "But I feel more and more that I'm failing.

    For many of the children I have worked with, inclusion has proved very
    successful

    Celia Foote

    "I seriously question whether for my students I am able to deliver the


    quality

    Quoted message said:

    education they deserve. I question whether I'm doing the best for them.

    "How fair is it on them that we expect them to learn in a


    one-size-fits-all

    Quoted message said:

    model?"

    Her account strikes a chord with other teachers.

    Too much

    Union executive member Amanda Haehner, who proposed the resolution


    describing

    Quoted message said:

    inclusion as a "disaster", recognised in it a class that she taught last


    year.

    Quoted message said:


    "We all understood Margaret's lesson - we all have classes like that," she
    said.

    David Mills, from Sutton, said the school in which he used to teach was a
    non-selective secondary in an area with grammar schools.

    As a result, it had to cope - or try to - with a large number of boys with
    special educational needs.

    "The constant struggle to cope got the better of me," he said. "I gather


    the

    Quoted message said:

    situation in the school is far from getting better. Somebody needs to


    help."

    Quoted message said:


    Allocations

    But the conference rejected a move to have a limit on the numbers of


    pupils

    Quoted message said:

    with learning and behavioural difficulties that any one school in an area
    should have to take.

    Austin Murphy from Leeds spoke of a previously successful school which,


    due to

    Quoted message said:

    a reorganisation, had taken in many children with special needs.

    "The school is now in chaos. Riots are commonplace and senior management


    are

    Quoted message said:

    regularly assaulted," he said.

    But a union executive member, Dave Battye, said the idea of a limit was
    "seductive" but "highly dangerous".

    One child could wreck a lesson, he said - but if he was within whatever


    quota

    Quoted message said:

    had been agreed there would be nothing the teacher could do about it.

    "We wish off-site provision for those who are destroying mainstream


    schools."

    Quoted message said:


    Generalisations

    A Leeds teacher, Celia Foote, complained that the conference resolution


    was

    Quoted message said:

    full of "generalisations".

    For some very vulnerable children, inclusion is a form of child abuse or
    torture

    Fran Oborski
    She agreed with parts of it.

    But it interchanged terms such as behavioural difficulties, disability,


    special

    Quoted message said:

    educational needs and challenging behaviour.

    "For many of the children I have worked with, who have learning


    difficulties,

    Quoted message said:

    inclusion has proved very successful and has not caused problems for the
    teachers," she said.

    Children were part of a community and all members of a community should


    have

    Quoted message said:

    the right to attend their local school unless there were good grounds for


    not

    Quoted message said:

    doing so.

    'Child abuse'

    But Fran Oborski, from Birmingham, said it was not fair on some of them.

    She had worked in both mainstream and special schools and had run a unit


    for

    Quoted message said:

    children with emotional and behavioural difficulties.

    Inclusion might work in primary school but not when children moved on to
    secondary education, where they felt inadequate and their self-esteem was
    destroyed.

    "They don't want the embarrassment, when they are 14 years of age, of


    having a

    Quoted message said:

    special needs assistant tagging along to all their classes, making the
    difference obvious," she said.

    "For some very vulnerable children, inclusion is a form of child abuse or
    torture."

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