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  1. "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Intregrity a thing of the past. Kids picked it up from adults.

    Like the *gang* here on this ng.

    Sad that.

    Jan

    Cheaters Amok
    A Crisis in America's Schools - How It's Done and Why It's Happening
    ABCNEWS.com
    April 29- Angelo Angelis, a professor at Hunter College in New York City,


    was

    Quoted message said:

    recently grading some student papers on the story of Paul Revere when he
    noticed something strange.

    A certain passage kept appearing in his students' work, he said.
    It went like this, Angelis told Primetime's Charles Gibson: "Paul Revere


    would

    Quoted message said:

    never have said, 'The British are coming, the British are coming,' he was


    in

    Quoted message said:

    fact himself British, he would have said something like, 'the Red Coats


    are

    Quoted message said:

    coming.' "

    Angelis typed the words into Google, and found the passage on one Web site


    by a

    Quoted message said:

    fifth-grade class. Half a dozen of his college students had copied their


    work

    Quoted message said:

    from a bunch of elementary school kids, he thought.

    The Web site was very well done, Angelis said. For fifth graders, he would


    give

    Quoted message said:

    them an "A." But his college students deserved an "F".

    Lifting papers off the Internet is one of the newer trends in plagiarism -
    and technology is giving students even more ways to cheat nowadays.
    Authoritative numbers are hard to come by, but according to a 2002


    confidential

    Quoted message said:

    survey of 12,000 high school students, 74 percent admitted cheating on an
    examination at least once in the past year.

    In a six-month investigation, Primetime traveled to colleges and high


    schools

    Quoted message said:

    across the country to see how students are cheating, and why. The bottom


    line

    Quoted message said:

    is not just that many students have more temptation - but they seem to


    have a

    Quoted message said:

    whole new mindset.

    Get Real

    Joe is a student at a top college in the Northeast who admits to cheating
    regularly. Like all of the college students who spoke to Primetime, he


    wanted

    Quoted message said:

    his identity obscured.

    In Joe's view, he's just doing what the rest of the world does.

    "The real world is terrible," he told Gibson. "People will take other


    people's

    Quoted message said:

    materials and pass it on as theirs. I'm numb to it already. I'll cheat to


    get

    Quoted message said:

    by."

    Primetime heard the same refrain from many other students who cheat: that
    cheating in school is a dress rehearsal for life. They mentioned President
    Clinton's Monica Lewinsky scandal and financial scandals like the Enron


    case,

    Quoted message said:

    as well as the inconsistencies of the court system.

    "Whether or not you did it or not, if you can get the jury to say that


    you're

    Quoted message said:

    not guilty, you're free," said Will, a student at one of the top public


    high

    Quoted message said:

    schools in the nation.

    Mary, a student at a large university in the South, said, "A lot of people
    think it's like you're not really there to learn anything. You're just


    learning

    Quoted message said:

    to learn the system."

    Michael Josephson, founder of the Josephson Institute for Ethics, the Los
    Angeles-based organization that conducted the 2002 survey, said students


    take

    Quoted message said:

    their lead from adults.

    "They're basically decent kids whose values are being totally corrupted by


    a

    Quoted message said:

    world which is sanctioning stuff that even they know is wrong. But they


    can't

    Quoted message said:

    understand why everybody allows it."

    An Issue of Expediency

    Even if the world were more ethical, students still have reasons for


    cheating.

    Quoted message said:

    Some said they cheat because they're graded on a curve - so that their


    score

    Quoted message said:

    is directly affected by how other students do.

    "There's other people getting better grades than me and they're cheating.


    Why

    Quoted message said:

    am I not going to cheat? It's kind of almost stupid if you don't," said


    Joe.

    Quoted message said:


    The pressure for good grades is high. "Grades can determine your future,


    and if

    Quoted message said:

    you fail this then you're not going on to college, you're going to work at
    McDonald's and live out of a car," said high school student Spike.

    A business student at a top state university, said, "Everything is about


    the

    Quoted message said:

    grade that you got in the class. Nobody looks at how you got it." He


    graduates

    Quoted message said:

    in a few weeks and will go on to a job with a top investment firm.

    Others see it as a sort of moral relativity. Some students feel it is


    perfectly

    Quoted message said:

    OK to cheat in some situations and in some courses.

    "You'll have an engineer say, 'You know, what do I need to know about


    English

    Quoted message said:

    literature? I shouldn't have to take this course,' " said Don McCabe, a
    professor who heads the center for academic integrity at Rutgers


    University in

    Quoted message said:

    New Jersey.

    For Mary's classmate Pam, it was a different sort of prioritizing. "You


    don't

    Quoted message said:

    want to be a dork and study for eight hours a day. You want to go out and


    have

    Quoted message said:

    fun."

    And some professors make it easy, students said. They overlook even the


    most

    Quoted message said:

    obvious instances.

    In fact, McCabe says, a survey of more than 4,000 U.S. and Canadian


    schools

    Quoted message said:

    revealed half of all faculty members admitted ignoring cheating at least


    once.

    Quoted message said:


    Tech War

    Still, one of the main elements of cheating is doing it in secret. There


    are

    Quoted message said:

    the tried and true methods:

    Many sororities and fraternities maintain a file of term papers for


    reuse

    Quoted message said:

    - take one, turn it in.

    The old rubber band trick - stretch one out and write everything you


    need

    Quoted message said:

    on it, and when it shrinks back to shape, no one will be the wiser.

    But students today also have more technologically sophisticated options


    open to

    Quoted message said:

    them:

    A favorite device is the graphing calculator, which most professors


    allow

    Quoted message said:

    students to bring into an exam . and into which students can download all
    kinds of material.

    Another is an iPAQ - a handheld computer similar to a Palm Pilot -


    which

    Quoted message said:

    can also download information.

    Cell phones - to take pictures of notes, or among the more wily, to
    text-message friends for answers.

    Even a two-way pager can be used to cheat. For one student whose campus


    has

    Quoted message said:

    wireless Internet access, he used it as a mini-computer to access the


    entire

    Quoted message said:

    Internet during his test.

    And then there are Internet-based clearing houses for term papers, such


    as

    Quoted message said:

    Papers4Less, Cheathouse.com and Schoolsucks.com.

    Fortunately, educators have technological options too. Schools have been
    subscribing to a service called Turnitin.com, which can help teachers


    compare

    Quoted message said:

    students' papers to all the available literature in its database.

    "It's typically 30 percent of all the papers submitted have significant


    levels

    Quoted message said:

    of plagiarism," said John Barrie, founder of Turnitin.com.

    Where Is the Tipping Point?

    "We are in a crisis," said Josephson. But he added, "I don't think it has


    to

    Quoted message said:

    stay that way."

    He said he was waiting for the tipping point, like Enron with business


    ethics,

    Quoted message said:

    where there would be a sea change in attitudes towards cheating.

    An ABCNEWS poll found hopeful signs - but worrying ones as well.

    In a random sample of high school students aged 15 to 17, 36 percent


    admitted

    Quoted message said:

    to having cheated themselves - fewer than in Josephson's survey.

    But seven in 10 kids also say they have friends who cheat, and only


    one-third

    Quoted message said:

    of students have ever had a serious talk with their parents about


    cheating.

    Quoted message said:


    "We need to promote integrity. We need to get students to understand why
    integrity is important - as opposed to policing dishonesty and then


    punishing

    Quoted message said:

    that dishonesty. Because they can beat the system," McCabe said.

    Josephson emphasized that college teaches students many things: how to


    learn,

    Quoted message said:

    behave, overcome challenges, and succeed.

    "And if they approach it honestly, they'll learn far more in college than


    they

    Quoted message said:

    think they can," he said. "But more than that, they'll come out of it


    better,

    Quoted message said:

    stronger people."

    So, what's your point, Jan? What does this article have to do with the topic
    of this newsgroup, and why did you post it?

    --Rich

  2. Intregrity a thing of the past. Kids picked it up from adults.

    Like the *gang* here on this ng.

    Sad that.

    Jan

    Cheaters Amok
    A Crisis in America's Schools — How It’s Done and Why It’s Happening
    ABCNEWS.com
    April 29— Angelo Angelis, a professor at Hunter College in New York City, was
    recently grading some student papers on the story of Paul Revere when he
    noticed something strange.

    A certain passage kept appearing in his students' work, he said.
    It went like this, Angelis told Primetime's Charles Gibson: "Paul Revere would
    never have said, 'The British are coming, the British are coming,' he was in
    fact himself British, he would have said something like, 'the Red Coats are
    coming.' "

    Angelis typed the words into Google, and found the passage on one Web site by a
    fifth-grade class. Half a dozen of his college students had copied their work
    from a bunch of elementary school kids, he thought.

    The Web site was very well done, Angelis said. For fifth graders, he would give
    them an "A." But his college students deserved an "F".

    Lifting papers off the Internet is one of the newer trends in plagiarism —
    and technology is giving students even more ways to cheat nowadays.
    Authoritative numbers are hard to come by, but according to a 2002 confidential
    survey of 12,000 high school students, 74 percent admitted cheating on an
    examination at least once in the past year.

    In a six-month investigation, Primetime traveled to colleges and high schools
    across the country to see how students are cheating, and why. The bottom line
    is not just that many students have more temptation — but they seem to have a
    whole new mindset.

    Get Real

    Joe is a student at a top college in the Northeast who admits to cheating
    regularly. Like all of the college students who spoke to Primetime, he wanted
    his identity obscured.

    In Joe's view, he's just doing what the rest of the world does.

    "The real world is terrible," he told Gibson. "People will take other people's
    materials and pass it on as theirs. I'm numb to it already. I'll cheat to get
    by."

    Primetime heard the same refrain from many other students who cheat: that
    cheating in school is a dress rehearsal for life. They mentioned President
    Clinton's Monica Lewinsky scandal and financial scandals like the Enron case,
    as well as the inconsistencies of the court system.

    "Whether or not you did it or not, if you can get the jury to say that you're
    not guilty, you're free," said Will, a student at one of the top public high
    schools in the nation.

    Mary, a student at a large university in the South, said, "A lot of people
    think it's like you're not really there to learn anything. You're just learning
    to learn the system."

    Michael Josephson, founder of the Josephson Institute for Ethics, the Los
    Angeles-based organization that conducted the 2002 survey, said students take
    their lead from adults.

    "They're basically decent kids whose values are being totally corrupted by a
    world which is sanctioning stuff that even they know is wrong. But they can't
    understand why everybody allows it."

    An Issue of Expediency

    Even if the world were more ethical, students still have reasons for cheating.
    Some said they cheat because they're graded on a curve — so that their score
    is directly affected by how other students do.

    "There's other people getting better grades than me and they're cheating. Why
    am I not going to cheat? It's kind of almost stupid if you don't," said Joe.

    The pressure for good grades is high. "Grades can determine your future, and if
    you fail this then you're not going on to college, you're going to work at
    McDonald's and live out of a car," said high school student Spike.

    A business student at a top state university, said, "Everything is about the
    grade that you got in the class. Nobody looks at how you got it." He graduates
    in a few weeks and will go on to a job with a top investment firm.

    Others see it as a sort of moral relativity. Some students feel it is perfectly
    OK to cheat in some situations and in some courses.

    "You'll have an engineer say, 'You know, what do I need to know about English
    literature? I shouldn't have to take this course,' " said Don McCabe, a
    professor who heads the center for academic integrity at Rutgers University in
    New Jersey.

    For Mary's classmate Pam, it was a different sort of prioritizing. "You don't
    want to be a dork and study for eight hours a day. You want to go out and have
    fun."

    And some professors make it easy, students said. They overlook even the most
    obvious instances.

    In fact, McCabe says, a survey of more than 4,000 U.S. and Canadian schools
    revealed half of all faculty members admitted ignoring cheating at least once.

    Tech War

    Still, one of the main elements of cheating is doing it in secret. There are
    the tried and true methods:

    Many sororities and fraternities maintain a file of term papers for reuse
    — take one, turn it in.

    The old rubber band trick — stretch one out and write everything you need
    on it, and when it shrinks back to shape, no one will be the wiser.

    But students today also have more technologically sophisticated options open to
    them:

    A favorite device is the graphing calculator, which most professors allow
    students to bring into an exam … and into which students can download all
    kinds of material.

    Another is an iPAQ — a handheld computer similar to a Palm Pilot — which
    can also download information.

    Cell phones — to take pictures of notes, or among the more wily, to
    text-message friends for answers.

    Even a two-way pager can be used to cheat. For one student whose campus has
    wireless Internet access, he used it as a mini-computer to access the entire
    Internet during his test.

    And then there are Internet-based clearing houses for term papers, such as
    Papers4Less, Cheathouse.com and Schoolsucks.com.

    Fortunately, educators have technological options too. Schools have been
    subscribing to a service called Turnitin.com, which can help teachers compare
    students' papers to all the available literature in its database.

    "It's typically 30 percent of all the papers submitted have significant levels
    of plagiarism," said John Barrie, founder of Turnitin.com.

    Where Is the Tipping Point?

    "We are in a crisis," said Josephson. But he added, "I don't think it has to
    stay that way."

    He said he was waiting for the tipping point, like Enron with business ethics,
    where there would be a sea change in attitudes towards cheating.

    An ABCNEWS poll found hopeful signs — but worrying ones as well.

    In a random sample of high school students aged 15 to 17, 36 percent admitted
    to having cheated themselves — fewer than in Josephson's survey.

    But seven in 10 kids also say they have friends who cheat, and only one-third
    of students have ever had a serious talk with their parents about cheating.

    "We need to promote integrity. We need to get students to understand why
    integrity is important — as opposed to policing dishonesty and then punishing
    that dishonesty. Because they can beat the system," McCabe said.

    Josephson emphasized that college teaches students many things: how to learn,
    behave, overcome challenges, and succeed.

    "And if they approach it honestly, they'll learn far more in college than they
    think they can," he said. "But more than that, they'll come out of it better,
    stronger people."

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