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Re: Can we trust science research?

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  1. The control group is also tested as to complications which might affect
    test results, there is a benchmark set for both the control and target
    groups for such things as blood lipids, weight, age, activity level, etc.,
    depending on the exact nature of what the test is to reveal. As to
    surgery and chemo, the control group is people with the same problem but
    who don't recieve the device/proceedure under test, again an example of
    setting equal benchmarks for both so differences will depend on the
    difference in outcomes. Sometimes in surgery, a "false" incision is made
    in more simple proceedures/devices in order to remove any difference
    knowing one has or has not recieved that which is being tested. For
    example testing some med release device by implanting it in a simple
    incision, but some actually get it and some don't. The point in all such
    testing is to remove all but the difference that is being applied as much
    as is possible in both control and target groups.

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    Displaying a total lack of the use of research,ie. the control group, who
    participate along side the "sick" people. Anti science ignorance is
    common and praised in some circles; as research shows.

    What evidence do you have that the "control" group isn't also
    compromised, yet without the overt symptoms displayed by the study
    group? Taken as a whole, people in wealthy and industrialized societies
    aren't very healthy, and to do a true "side by side" comparison of a
    treatment that is always damaging anyway, like heart surgery, or chemo,
    obviously won't be conducted upon someone who doesn't need it. So, what
    exactly is your point? ;^]

    --
    _o Kristofer Dale,
    _ \<,_ ragged individualist,
    _____( )/ ( )_____ statistic at large...

    p.s. Learn and live, http://www.vitaletherapeutics.org

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    setting equal benchmarks for both so differences will depend on the
    difference in outcomes. Sometimes in surgery, a "false" incision is made
    in more simple proceedures/devices in order to remove any difference
    knowing one has or has not recieved that which is being tested. For
    example testing some med release device by implanting it in a simple
    incision, but some actually get it and some don't. The point in all such
    testing is to remove all but the difference that is being applied as much
    as is possible in both control and target groups.

    So, you are saying that this might apply to "simple procedures", but a
    treatment like open heart surgery or chemotherapy obviously isn't a
    "simple" procedure. Most people might not even go to a doctor or
    hospital for such a "simple" procedure anyway. Again, what was your
    point?

    --
    _o Kristofer Dale,
    _ \<,_ ragged individualist,
    _____( )/ ( )_____ statistic at large...

    p.s. Learn and live, http://www.vitaletherapeutics.org

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