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Re: can't do atkins anymore :(

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  1. Cammie---about 'eggs and meat and cheese raising cholesterol". Say you
    eat two fried eggs, two slices of bacon, two slices of toast and some
    hashbrowns. The carbs in the hashbrowns and bread are much easier and
    quicker to burn than the bacon and eggs. So, your body burns the carbs
    and stores the fat---including lining your blood vessels with it.
    Cholesterol goes up.

    But when you dont eat the toast or potatoes....your body HAS to use the
    fat and protein as today's fuel---it has nothing TO 'store". It, along
    with some of your already stored fat gets burned for today's
    energy---cholesterol goes down.

    So....in reality, it isnt the eggs, cheese and meat that makes
    cholesterol go up.....it's the presence of the carbs you ate along with
    it. The carbs got burned...and the fat got stored.

    Not knowing this doesnt make your doctor a bad doctor. As I said,
    nutrition isnt stressed in medical school beyond teaching them the old
    food pyramid, LOL, and the diseases that come from lack of this or that
    nutriant.

    You might wait until after your upcoming blood tests to begin Atkins.
    This will let you know what your "before Atkins" cholesterol, blood
    sugar and triglycerides are.

    Assuming it will be at least 90 days before MORE blood tests, during
    which time you will have been on Atkins, the second round of blood
    scores ought to be much better---and your doc will be pleased. , THEN
    tell him, "By the way, Doc....Ive been on Atkins for three months...."

    LassChance

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  2. Lass Chance_2 said:

    Cammie---about 'eggs and meat and cheese raising cholesterol". Say you
    eat two fried eggs, two slices of bacon, two slices of toast and some
    hashbrowns. The carbs in the hashbrowns and bread are much easier and
    quicker to burn than the bacon and eggs. So, your body burns the carbs
    and stores the fat---including lining your blood vessels with it.
    Cholesterol goes up.

    But when you dont eat the toast or potatoes....your body HAS to use the
    fat and protein as today's fuel---it has nothing TO 'store". It, along
    with some of your already stored fat gets burned for today's
    energy---cholesterol goes down.

    So....in reality, it isnt the eggs, cheese and meat that makes
    cholesterol go up.....it's the presence of the carbs you ate along with
    it. The carbs got burned...and the fat got stored.

    Not knowing this doesnt make your doctor a bad doctor. As I said,
    nutrition isnt stressed in medical school beyond teaching them the old
    food pyramid, LOL, and the diseases that come from lack of this or that
    nutriant.

    I beg to differ. A doctor who does not know the basics of nutrition is
    a bad doctor. A doctor who practices knowing that he does not know even
    the basics of nutrition is a dangerous greedy fool.

    Nutrition is the absolute basic and fundamental foundation for good
    health. Health does not come in a pill bottle or on a surgeons table.
    It comes from nutritious food. Without good nutrition, it doesn't
    matter how many doctors treat you, you will still be sick. With good
    nutrition, you will only need a doctor for setting bone breaks and
    sutures.

    A doctor who does not know his nutrition inside and out should be
    retired. It is up to the health care consumer to avoid these ignorant
    jackasses and go to a naturopath or nutrition-based health-care
    provider who knows what real good health is about.

    TC

  3. Lass Chance_2 said:

    Cammie---about 'eggs and meat and cheese raising cholesterol". Say you
    eat two fried eggs, two slices of bacon, two slices of toast and some
    hashbrowns. The carbs in the hashbrowns and bread are much easier and
    quicker to burn than the bacon and eggs. So, your body burns the carbs
    and stores the fat---including lining your blood vessels with it.
    Cholesterol goes up.

    But when you dont eat the toast or potatoes....your body HAS to use the
    fat and protein as today's fuel---it has nothing TO 'store". It, along
    with some of your already stored fat gets burned for today's
    energy---cholesterol goes down.

    So....in reality, it isnt the eggs, cheese and meat that makes
    cholesterol go up.....it's the presence of the carbs you ate along with
    it. The carbs got burned...and the fat got stored.

    Not knowing this doesnt make your doctor a bad doctor. As I said,
    nutrition isnt stressed in medical school beyond teaching them the old
    food pyramid, LOL, and the diseases that come from lack of this or that
    nutriant.

    I beg to differ. A doctor who does not know the basics of nutrition is
    a bad doctor. A doctor who practices knowing that he does not know even
    the basics of nutrition is a dangerous greedy fool.

    Nutrition is the absolute basic and fundamental foundation for good
    health. Health does not come in a pill bottle or on a surgeons table.
    It comes from nutritious food. Without good nutrition, it doesn't
    matter how many doctors treat you, you will still be sick. With good
    nutrition, you will only need a doctor for setting bone breaks and
    sutures.

    A doctor who does not know his nutrition inside and out should be
    retired. It is up to the health care consumer to avoid these ignorant
    jackasses and go to a naturopath or nutrition-based health-care
    provider who knows what real good health is about.

    TC

  4. TC--you're preaching to the choir, here. I agree doctors SHOULD know
    everything about nutrition. But, they dont. I agree that nutrition IS
    the basis for health----but, regardless of that....they dont.

    Western medicine isnt based upon promoting health---it's based upon
    curing sickness, once health fails. In real life and to you and me, "An
    ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure", but western medicine is
    not based upon that principle.

    Eastern medicne, on the other hand is ALL about maintaining health and
    preventing disease, thru nutrition, balance, herbs to improve the immune
    system so that nobody gets sick, in the first place. Illness is seen as
    an indicator of an imbalance and gently treated to restore natural
    balance.

    Western medicine sees illness as an ememy that must be beaten to the
    ground with force---bombarded with chemicals and destroyed, forced out.

    If you limit your search for a western doc to only those who have deep
    knowledge of nutrition, you'll be looking for a LONG time.

    100% of doctors know the names and dosage of the current top 10
    chemicals to treat cancer. Maybe one of 100 knows that broccoli sprouts
    eaten daily will prevent most forms of cancer and brave is the lone doc
    who will actualy suggest it t his patients.

    That's the way it is.

    I worked for a Rheumatologist inN Y a long time back who treated many
    patients with severe psoriasis, which can kill you if 60-70% of the body
    is affected. From his father, a concentration camp survivor, he learned
    that Jews in concentration camps who came in with psoriasis got "cured"
    in the camps. Dr.S . figured it must be related to what they ate---or
    more likely, what they DID NOT eat, namely red meat.

    So, he put 12 of his most severely affected patients in the hospital for
    three weeks and the only protein they received was white turkey meat. In
    three weeks, all were vastly improved and continued to avoid red meat
    after their hosputal stay and got even better.

    Delighted with the results of his 'turkey cure" for psoriasis, Dr.S
    wrote his findings and published them.,....to the general scorn and
    amusement of the medical community.

    "For God's sake, Harry", said his colleague, a fellow rheumatologist,
    "Cant you just treat 'em with corticosteroids, like everybody else?"

    Sad story---true story.

    LassChance

    Re: can't do atkins anymore 🙁

    Group: alt.support.diet.low-carb Date: Mon, Aug 8, 2005, 1:47pm (EDT-3)
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    Lass Chance_2 wrote:
    Cammie---about 'eggs and meat and cheese raising cholesterol". Say you
    eat two fried eggs, two slices of bacon, two slices of toast and some
    hashbrowns. The carbs in the hashbrowns and bread are much easier and
    quicker to burn than the bacon and eggs. So, your body burns the carbs
    and stores the fat---including lining your blood vessels with it.
    Cholesterol goes up.
    But when you dont eat the toast or potatoes....your body HAS to use the
    fat and protein as today's fuel---it has nothing TO 'store". It, along
    with some of your already stored fat gets burned for today's
    energy---cholesterol goes down.
    So....in reality, it isnt the eggs, cheese and meat that makes
    cholesterol go up.....it's the presence of the carbs you ate along with
    it. The carbs got burned...and the fat got stored.
    Not knowing this doesnt make your doctor a bad doctor. As I said,
    nutrition isnt stressed in medical school beyond teaching them the old
    food pyramid, LOL, and the diseases that come from lack of this or that
    nutriant.
    I beg to differ. A doctor who does not know the basics of nutrition is a
    bad doctor. A doctor who practices knowing that he does not know even
    the basics of nutrition is a dangerous greedy fool.
    Nutrition is the absolute basic and fundamental foundation for good
    health. Health does not come in a pill bottle or on a surgeons table. It
    comes from nutritious food. Without good nutrition, it doesn't matter
    how many doctors treat you, you will still be sick. With good nutrition,
    you will only need a doctor for setting bone breaks and sutures.
    A doctor who does not know his nutrition inside and out should be
    retired. It is up to the health care consumer to avoid these ignorant
    jackasses and go to a naturopath or nutrition-based health-care provider
    who knows what real good health is about.
    TC

    5-16-05 202/182/162

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