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Re: Beef at room temperature prior to cooking

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  1. Joseph Littleshoes said:
    Isaac Wingfield said:

    I like to pan-cook beef steaks -- mostly New York strips about an
    inch

    thick. I sear them for just a few minutes on each side in a very
    hot cast iron skillet and then make a pan sauce.

    I've seen descriptions of "professional" recipes for cooking steaks
    that way, that call for having the meat at room temperature prior
    to cooking it. I think the meat cooks much better if the inside is
    not so cold.

    I've tried putting the meat, unwrapped, on the griddle plate of our
    kitchen stove (warmed only by the pilot lights) for about 20
    minutes. It works fine, but Friend Wife says that makes her
    uncomfortable.

    Not a good idea. It fosters bacterial growth. AND while most will be on
    the surface and killed when cooking, if the meat has been pierced and
    has bacteria inside it, this will make a nice, comfy place to live long
    and prosper. Cooking the meats to rare won't kill the bacteria inside.
    It's true that we don't live in a sterile world and that we can't kill
    all the bacteria and that not ever example of contamination will result
    in food-borne illness. Actually, it takes a good bit of contamination to
    cause any problems. Still, why improve the chances?

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    How does a professional restaurant bring the meat to room
    temperature without risking bacterial contamination? Or is it just
    not a risk? Or do they really not do itthat way?

    They don't do it that way. It's only possible if the food is
    pre-ordered. Otherwise, they end up with meats that can't very well be
    used later after re-refrigerating. Flavors change, bacteria thrive.

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    Special drawers or other storage facility that keep the meat at the
    required temp. Often times built in under any work surface and near
    the grill or stove.

    Not so. Meats must be stored below 40°F. I know of no restaurant
    equipment that is designed to hold meats at anything approaching room
    temperature. It's illegal to do so.

    Quoted message said:

    The really "gourmet" type place will not use
    frozen or "day old" meat and will insist on the freshest meat, bought
    daily in most cases, exceptions include the hanging or ageing of
    beef. Fresh is best.

    No. It isn't. In the beef trade, that's called "green" meat. Beef is
    always better if permitted to age, either dry or wet. And every little
    bit of time elapsed with beef stored properly makes it better up to a
    point about 3 weeks out.

    Quoted message said:

    For the home cook, a piece of meat well
    wrapped in plastic or other sealed container and let to come to room
    temp is usually sufficient, unless frozen then a planed period of
    defrosting is encouraged, overnight in the fridge and any further
    warming just before cooking.

    Take the wrappings off, put it on a plate on the counter and just
    loosely drape a piece of plastic wrap or wax paper over it to protect it
    from critters and splashes.

    Quoted message said:

    Personally i do not do this, i like my
    meat well done and so it don't matter so much. The whole room temp.
    thing is so you can heat a piece of meat to a to a proper temp. and
    still serve the meat rare or medium.

    Actually, it isn't. Temperature is the determinant of how done it is.
    There is no "proper temp." - the proper temp for any degree of doneness
    is the temperature for that degree of doneness. For beef it ranges from
    just above 100°F (Pittsburgh or "blue"😉 to more than 180° (nasty, dry,
    well-done) to, ironically, 200°F+ for a good BBQ Texas-style brisket or
    pot roast.

    Warming the meat before cooking is so the meat will be more juicy. The
    degree of doneness is the determinant of how moist the meat will be. In
    order to get a piece of cold meat to well done (or any other degree of
    doneness), the outside will have to be exposed to more heat than if the
    meat is already at room temp. The inside of the meat will cook by
    conduction of heat. The amount of heat necessary to warm a piece of beef
    from 35°to 150° is a lot more than what it takes to go from 75° to that
    same end point. The outside of the steak is cooking to higher and higher
    temperatures while the inside is being heated. Higher temps mean less
    moisture left (both water-based and oil-based since fat renders out),
    means drier meats.

    Quoted message said:

    Some people will even argue that a freshly slaughtered, straight from
    the butcher, piece of meat tastes better than a frozen or otherwise
    preserved or older piece of meat, the hanging or ageing being an
    exception. Air curing of large cuts of beef for 5 - 7 days is very
    nice.

    Fresh pork is best. Aged red meats are *always* better than
    fresh-killed. Beef, lamb, goat and game are red meats, and depending on
    the specific kind, can be aged from a few days to more than 6 weeks.

    They can be dry-aged uncovered in a cooler (it can be done at home -
    check Alton Brown's method) or wet-aged in plastic cryopacks (Google).

    Pastorio

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