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Re: bathroom scale hysteresis

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    Quoted message said:

    Sneaky scales fudge weights deliberately.

    I suspect that many modern, microprocessor -controlled bathroom scales
    have programmed in hysteresis to increase user confidence in the
    scale's accuracy. The scale remembers fresh measurements, say 166.2#,
    and if it next measures same weight +/- a little (within a short time),
    say 166.8#, then the scale decides to report the *original* measurement
    166.2#. Neat. Sneaky. User believes the scale is highly repeatable.

    On such a scale, I weigh myself multiple times and get the same reading
    (to the 0.2#) each time. 166.2#, 166.2#, 166.2#, 166.2#, ...
    Then I weigh something different (myself holding a load), to reset the
    memory.
    Then I weigh myself again... Now, get something like 166.8#, 166.8#,
    166.8#, 166.8#, ... very solid again, but 0.6# different from 1st
    series of measurements.

    I tried 6 models (2 or 3 brands) at a retail store display and find
    this "feature" common.

    What models/brands? I find it hard to believe that the manufacturers would
    do that, because it would require additional programming in the scale, and
    most modern scales are quite accurate as is.

    FWIW, I have a 4 year old Tanita, accurate to 0.2 lb, and I've tested it
    like you suggest on a number of occasions. In all such tests, (weigh in,
    weigh-in holding a light weight of some sort, then weigh in again) the scale
    returns to within 0.2 lb of the original reading, and usually to the exact
    original reading.

    If I step off, reset, and step back on (without changing anything), I get
    the same reading about 65% of the time. The other 35%, it varies by 0.2
    lb - I assume this is when my actual weight is somewhere between the two
    reported weights.

    Perhaps your test was flawed somehow? Or, maybe you were testing some
    crappy scales?

    --
    GG
    http://www.WeightWare.com
    Computer-Assisted Weight Management

    Quoted message said:


    Is it important? Maybe yes in the following scenario -- in some sports
    like wrestling, boxing, judo, you have multiple competitors weighing in
    at the same time, same scale, with possibly very similar weight. Some
    competitors are concerned with as little as 0.25#. In this case it
    seems one competitor could inherit the weight measurement of the person
    in front of him.

    In a perfect world, competition weigh-in equipment should be
    certified/calibrated. But since the bathroom scale appears so
    repeatable, some competitions now use modern, microprocessor
    -controlled bathroom scales.

    Somebody's going to say... "you shouldn't do that". Right, I agree.
    But (a) it's happening, because (b) this hysteresis (memory)phenomenon
    isn't widely known, I suspect.

    Anyone care to confirm? Contradict? Repeat the experiment on their
    own scale? Comment? In my experiment I didn't bother to determine
    what weight difference resets the memory -- 1#? 1.5#?

    Regards,
    John Ruckstuhl

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