Re: Atkins' critics surprised by recent study

"Man Over The M_un" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 02:25:33 GMT, "Mike" <[email hidden]>

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Will power is certainly a requirement. I also believe that doing it

on

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your own (as opposed to in say, a large family group with

conflicting

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diets) reduces the exposure to inappropriate foods. Have you found
that?

I'm not sure what foods you consider "inappropriate".

*Those that don't meet the requirements of your diet regimen .
Examples of family exposure for me might be birthday cake, pizza,
mashed potatoes, pasta.

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Losing 40lb deserves much credit, especially if you have maintained

it

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for a year or two, and if your solution included exercise.

Thanks and it did. 15 miles of sprint/jog/walk a week including a
lifting regimen.

*Much more discipline than I.

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I have no wish to get into the semantics of addiction. My own
experience with medium to high GI carbohydrates is simply that when

I

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eat them, I always want more in an hour or two. So typically I

don't

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eat them.

That's more like a craving not an addiction eh?

*What ever it is, it's unwanted. Caused by extremes of high
followed by low BG.

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Any diet that works and improves nutrient balance is OK by me if

you

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can live with it, and you don't plan to stop one day.

How would you determine what is the correct nutrient balance and how
would you go about, accurately, assuring you eating one?

*As a sort of ideal, I like one that approximates as far as reasonable
what farmers or Indians might have eaten pre-industrially.
Metabolically we are said to be still pre-grain hunter/gatherer, but
adaptable within reason. Relative to that we eat far too many
concentrated calories. Especially carbohydrates and fats.

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As for the exercise, I've seen it said that the average person, if
such exists, expends about 60% of calories in RMR,

Define RMR please.

*Sorry, 'resting metabolic rate'. (energy usage).

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so a good
proportion of effort may need to be applied in building/maintaining
muscle, not just aerobic. What's your experience there?

My experience is that I reached a level of hypertrophy that was
sufficient for my appearance goals and to supply the raw materials

for

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movement based approach to strength training. So I perform the
Olympic lifts and their variations and add rapid bodyweight

movements

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from time to time.

*Excellent. You definitely sound like a single man, with plenty of
available time and testosterone.
I'm 68. Have the time, but the motivation ain't so hot. 🙂

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As for aerobic exercise, it mostly treadmill.

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Can I also
assume your lipids and other health criteria have improved too?

Yes but it's time I probably look at my profiles again.

On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:22:34 GMT, "mike" <[email hidden]>

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Will power is certainly a requirement. I also believe that doing it

on

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your own (as opposed to in say, a large family group with

conflicting

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diets) reduces the exposure to inappropriate foods. Have you found
that?

I'm not sure what foods you consider "inappropriate".

On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:22:34 GMT, "mike" <[email hidden]>

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*Those that don't meet the requirements of your diet regimen .
Examples of family exposure for me might be birthday cake, pizza,
mashed potatoes, pasta.

Certainly, less exposure to any foods creates a better climate for
food control, I would agree.

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How would you determine what is the correct nutrient balance and how
would you go about, accurately, assuring you eating one?

On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:22:34 GMT, "mike" <[email hidden]>

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*As a sort of ideal, I like one that approximates as far as reasonable
what farmers or Indians might have eaten pre-industrially.
Metabolically we are said to be still pre-grain hunter/gatherer, but
adaptable within reason. Relative to that we eat far too many
concentrated calories. Especially carbohydrates and fats.

I don't understand "concentrated" calories. In your example, fats are
225% more caloric than carbs.

On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:22:34 GMT, "mike" <[email hidden]>

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so a good
proportion of effort may need to be applied in building/maintaining
muscle, not just aerobic. What's your experience there?

My experience is that I reached a level of hypertrophy that was
sufficient for my appearance goals and to supply the raw materials

for

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movement based approach to strength training. So I perform the
Olympic lifts and their variations and add rapid bodyweight

movements

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from time to time.

*Excellent. You definitely sound like a single man, with plenty of
available time and testosterone.

I may sound like one but I'm not. I don't consider my exercise time
as "available". It is part of my daily schedule like brushing my
teeth, working, etc.

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I'm 68. Have the time, but the motivation ain't so hot. 🙂

Never too late to start.