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Re: Analytical Nonsense

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  1. MagillaGorilla said:

    1) The power output is not constant. It's lower in a turn.

    Usually, but not always, especially for an experienced rider on a
    larger track.

    Quoted message said:

    2) The coefficient of friction/rolling resistance increases in a turn.

    True.

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    3) Velocity has a vector component in physics equations that is being
    constantly changed throughout a turn. This is inefficient and creates a
    loss in energy. Energy to change the vector component of velociity is
    lost in friction that is otherwiise conserved in a straightaway.

    True, but the effects of tire scrub on rolling resistance appear to be
    minimal, because the Crr as measured on a velodrome is quite similar
    to that measured on a comparable surface when traveling in a straight
    line. For example, after correcting for the increase in normal force
    in the turns, the Crr of ADT (which isn't the smoothest track in the
    world) is 0.0028 for a rider using 20 mm Veloflex Record clincher
    tires and latex tubes, inflated to 130 psi. This is nearly identical
    to what others have obtained when, e.g., testing on a rotating drum,
    with the minimal difference probably due to the very small steering
    angle.

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    4) Aerodynamic drag is increased in a turn, not because of increased
    speed but because the rider's direction of travel through a fluid is not
    as efficient in a turn as it is in a straightaway. There is more
    surface area on a rider's body hitting airflow in a turn.

    On the contrary, an effective crosswind (such as is encountered in the
    turn on a track) can actually reduce your CdA.

    Quoted message said:

    If you were to do a test with a rider asked to ride a 10 km time trial
    on a straight road vs. a rider doing 10k in a perfect oval velodrome,
    the rider going straight would always win. According to you the rider
    going in a circle would win. You are wrong.

    No, you are wrong, for one very simple reason: even if all other
    aspects are held constant, the center of resistance of the rider on
    the velodrome wouldn't have traveled the full 10 km.

    Andy Coggan

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