Rasmussen out

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I guess the Chicken was in Italy doing the nasty drug thing with Dr
Ferrari.

Or in Italy doing a complete workup by any one of a dozen high end training
specialist of whom Ferrari is only one.

What makes you believe that riders need dope? Is it because you don't have
the slightest idea about performance enhancing drugs and how they work or is
it because you use crank and crystal and believe that's what doping is all
about?

Jim Flom said:

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Ewoud Dronkert wrote:

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> Withdrawm by his team, "for violating an internal rule."
> No stance on whether the team will start tomorrow.

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Now we know whose bag got swapped with Vinokourov's.

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Man, this is better than WWE Smackdown. If only the Lovely Miss
Elizabeth
were still alive.

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It's been reported that he lied to his team about his whereabouts:

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From EuroSport:

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http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/25072007/3/rasmussen-tour-de-france.html

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Rasmussen out of Tour de France

Ironic that such a gift should come to Disco in this way.

dumbass,

it's ironic that a saiz rider getting popped (heras) gave rabo their
last GT win (menchov) and now a rabo rider getting pulled (before
popping) gives the lead to a saiz rider.

Tom Kunich' cyclintom@yahoo. com said:

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I guess the Chicken was in Italy doing the nasty drug thing with Dr
Ferrari.

Or in Italy doing a complete workup by any one of a dozen high end training
specialist of whom Ferrari is only one.

What makes you believe that riders need dope? Is it because you don't have
the slightest idea about performance enhancing drugs and how they work or is
it because you use crank and crystal and believe that's what doping is all
about?

dumbass,

yeah and what if santa claus fought the easter bunny ?

maybe in your universe it makes sense that rabo would prevent their
rider (who they believe is clean) from winning the tour.

rasmussen didn't get pulled (and fired) just for lying about his
whereabouts. the UCI knows rasmussen is dirty and they want to avoid
the embarrassment of having a doping scandal while he's in yellow or
after he's won the tour.

Simon Brooke said:

That would be Contador, ex Astana, ex Liberty Seguros, former protege of
Manuel Sainz, former client of Eufemio Fuentes? Ah, the new, clean, young
generation will save cycling...

You're just cranky since Cancellara hasn't been mentioned
recently. 🙂~

R

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maybe in your universe it makes sense that rabo would prevent their
rider (who they believe is clean) from winning the tour.

If the majority of the public doesn't belive it, then it doesn't matter.

Anyone lieing for his emplyer and makeing the employer take a public
stand based on those lies will get fired - if not initially then at
least when/uf the lies are exposed.

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rasmussen didn't get pulled (and fired) just for lying about his
whereabouts.

Rasmussen has been suspended, and will proberbly get fired.

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the UCI knows rasmussen is dirty and they want to avoid
the embarrassment of having a doping scandal while he's in yellow or
after he's won the tour.

pure speculation, not facts.

--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk>

Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.

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Tom Kunich' cyclintom@yahoo. com said:

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I guess the Chicken was in Italy doing the nasty drug thing with Dr
Ferrari.

Or in Italy doing a complete workup by any one of a dozen high end
training
specialist of whom Ferrari is only one.

What makes you believe that riders need dope? Is it because you don't
have
the slightest idea about performance enhancing drugs and how they work or
is
it because you use crank and crystal and believe that's what doping is
all
about?

maybe in your universe it makes sense that rabo would prevent their
rider (who they believe is clean) from winning the tour.

What the hell are you talking about? From the comments, Rassmussen was
TRAINING in Italy. I'm sure that he was running physical tests for Ferrari
or Cecchini. The real question is did he dope or was he using the world's
foremost training coaches straight up? I tend to believe the former but
nevertheless I still believe that you have to prove a man guilty for him to
be guilty. That doesn't seem like a universal standard here among the lyjnch
mob.

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rasmussen didn't get pulled (and fired) just for lying about his
whereabouts. the UCI knows rasmussen is dirty and they want to avoid
the embarrassment of having a doping scandal while he's in yellow or
after he's won the tour.

Rabobank isn't about to stand for any smirch upon thier own reputation if
they can avoid it. Even if Rassmussen was completely straight in his
training and he was only there secretly because Rabobank wouldn't want him
within 100 km of Ferrari you understand that the team couldn't take the
chance. Rabobank must be the longest term sponsor now and any team that
would gamble with that is pretty stupid wouldn't you say?

kaiser said:

Gosh, how are we gonna handle all of these falsely accused people?
Floyd, Tyler, Basso, Rasmussen, Vinokourov?

Which one of those five people did NOT test positive?

Hint: Rasmussen.

Simon Brooke said:

That would be Contador, ex Astana, ex Liberty Seguros, former protege of
Manuel Sainz, former client of Eufemio Fuentes? Ah, the new, clean, young
generation will save cycling...

The new genration might be clean, but pro cyclings major problem is
spain - spanish riders, riders in spanish teams and forrign riders with
residence in spain are the ones to watch out for. Nothing has changed.

It used to be Italy but they have started their cleaining (in fact
they began before 98)

--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk>

Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.

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Ewoud Dronkert said:

MrBob schreef:

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It's been reported that he lied to his team about his whereabouts:
[...]
PAU, France (AFP) - Yellow jersey wearer Michael Rasmussen was
sensationally kicked out of the Tour de France by his own Rabobank team,

Yep. He has been dismissed, effective immediately, by his employer for
lying about where he was. The team (riders?) is still in chambers about
tomorrow's start.

Well, I sure hope they start. I want Boogard to be able to finish his last Tour
with some dignity. It's the least they can do for him.

--
tanx,
Howard

Never take a tenant with a monkey.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Why resort to name calling? You could have just said that you disagree and
explain why.

But anyway, why do you say I'm a "dumbass"? Do you think only there are
only 3 "dirty" riders in the tour this year? All the other teams, including
Discovery are clean?

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My guess is that Discovery (previously Postal) is better than the other
teams at not getting caught.

Yeah and Team Barloworld are really clever too.

What a dumbass you are.

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Stella said:

kaiser said:

Gosh, how are we gonna handle all of these falsely accused people?
Floyd, Tyler, Basso, Rasmussen, Vinokourov?

Which one of those five people did NOT test positive?

Hint: Rasmussen.

STELL-LAAAAAAAA! Sorry, I just had to.

--
tanx,
Howard

Never take a tenant with a monkey.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

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Why resort to name calling? You could have just said that you disagree and
explain why.

So you WEREN'T name calling?

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But anyway, why do you say I'm a "dumbass"? Do you think only there are
only 3 "dirty" riders in the tour this year? All the other teams,
including Discovery are clean?

I see you have your lynch rope oiled nice and shiny. After all, you're such
a knowledgeable dumbass that you have convicted every one of them.

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kaiser said:

Gosh, how are we gonna handle all of these falsely accused people?
Floyd, Tyler, Basso, Rasmussen, Vinokourov?

Which one of those five people did NOT test positive?

Hint: Rasmussen.

Hint - it doesn't matter in the least to the high school dropouts telling us
about the "doping" problem in cycling. And most of them probably have their
own doping problems.

Was I calling you a name? No.

Have you yet said whether you think only 3 guys are "dirty" in the tour this
year? No. I really would like to hear your opinion on this. But
apparently you are not going to tell us.

Actually, I really don't want to think that there is rampant cheating going
on. (It ruins it for me to think to watch if I think it's the case.) But, to
me the evidence points to it. Whole teams pull themselves out of the race. A
rider is pulled even when he has not tested positive. Several top riders
were banned from the tour last year and this year. Last year's winner tested
positive. Etc. To me, it's naive to think that there are only a few "bad
apples"

All riders train extremely hard, and are performing near the top of their
capabilities. The additional few percent they get from, say a Vino like
"transfusion" makes a big difference. It did for Vino. Seemed like it did
for Landis last year though I don't understand how the type of doping he did
(some sort of testosterone) would help him overnight.

So in your what makes Discovery or Barloworld are definitely clean? They are
competing against some other teams that are cheating, yet they are up near
the top. Is it that their training techniques are better than the other
teams? Or is it their race strategy? It just doesn't add up for me.

I respect your right to view it differently and come to a different
conclusion. But your personal namecalling, that I don't respect.

"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote in message
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"Bob Palermo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Why resort to name calling? You could have just said that you disagree
and explain why.

So you WEREN'T name calling?

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But anyway, why do you say I'm a "dumbass"? Do you think only there are
only 3 "dirty" riders in the tour this year? All the other teams,
including Discovery are clean?

I see you have your lynch rope oiled nice and shiny. After all, you're
such a knowledgeable dumbass that you have convicted every one of them.

Bob Palermo said:

Was I calling you a name? No.

Have you yet said whether you think only 3 guys are "dirty" in the tour this
year? No. I really would like to hear your opinion on this. But
apparently you are not going to tell us.

Actually, I really don't want to think that there is rampant cheating going
on. (It ruins it for me to think to watch if I think it's the case.) But, to
me the evidence points to it. Whole teams pull themselves out of the race. A
rider is pulled even when he has not tested positive. Several top riders
were banned from the tour last year and this year. Last year's winner tested
positive. Etc. To me, it's naive to think that there are only a few "bad
apples"

All riders train extremely hard, and are performing near the top of their
capabilities. The additional few percent they get from, say a Vino like
"transfusion" makes a big difference. It did for Vino. Seemed like it did
for Landis last year though I don't understand how the type of doping he did
(some sort of testosterone) would help him overnight.

So in your what makes Discovery or Barloworld are definitely clean? They are
competing against some other teams that are cheating, yet they are up near
the top. Is it that their training techniques are better than the other
teams? Or is it their race strategy? It just doesn't add up for me.

I respect your right to view it differently and come to a different
conclusion. But your personal namecalling, that I don't respect.

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"Bob Palermo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Why resort to name calling? You could have just said that you disagree
and explain why.

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So you WEREN'T name calling?

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But anyway, why do you say I'm a "dumbass"? Do you think only there are
only 3 "dirty" riders in the tour this year? All the other teams,
including Discovery are clean?

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I see you have your lynch rope oiled nice and shiny. After all, you're
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Just watched Rasmussen win stage 16. I dont think he can lose now.

Stella said:

kaiser said:

Gosh, how are we gonna handle all of these falsely accused people?
Floyd, Tyler, Basso, Rasmussen, Vinokourov?

Which one of those five people did NOT test positive?

Hint: Rasmussen.

Also Basso.

Bob Schwartz

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MrBob said:

His departure leaves young Spaniard Alberto Contador in the lead

Yeah, but there's still four more days to kick him out, too.

Everybody knows that Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team
has the best dope.

--
Michael Press

William Asher said:

Keep in mind I predicted this. Contador is next, then Evans and
Leipheimer. Kirchen is now safe since he's dropped down below Valverde.

The Millar Line is at 2:34:24

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Was I calling you a name? No.

So you really believe that throwing the stupid [censored] you wrote around is OK
because it was about me personally? Kiss my guess what?

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Have you yet said whether you think only 3 guys are "dirty" in the tour
this year? No. I really would like to hear your opinion on this. But
apparently you are not going to tell us.

Unlike you, I don't believe that inventing fairey tales somehow qualifies me
to besmirch other people's reputations as a fun filled hobby.

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Actually, I really don't want to think that there is rampant cheating
going on. (It ruins it for me to think to watch if I think it's the case.)
But, to me the evidence points to it.

By all means explain what "evidence" you have any personal knowledge of.

Tom Kunich' cyclintom@yahoo. com said:

What the hell are you talking about? From the comments, Rassmussen was
TRAINING in Italy. I'm sure that he was running physical tests for Ferrari
or Cecchini. The real question is did he dope or was he using the world's
foremost training coaches straight up? I tend to believe the former but
nevertheless I still believe that you have to prove a man guilty for him to
be guilty.

dumbass,

rabobank has the evidence to believe that rasmussen is dirty and
likely to get caught. yes, i'm claiming they have information beyond
what us schmoebags get on cyclingnews and OLN.

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Rabobank isn't about to stand for any smirch upon thier own reputation if
they can avoid it. Even if Rassmussen was completely straight in his
training and he was only there secretly because Rabobank wouldn't want him
within 100 km of Ferrari you understand that the team couldn't take the
chance. Rabobank must be the longest term sponsor now and any team that
would gamble with that is pretty stupid wouldn't you say?

winning the tour would be great for their sponsor, why would they pull
their rider while he's in the lead ? that is very bad PR.

they pulled him because having him win then get snared in a doping
scandal would be devastating PR.