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Ralph Moss talks sense

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  1. From a recent Moss report on PolyMVA, an anti-cancer "supplement".

    "I am familiar with all the obstacles that exist for publishing innovative medical work. Indeed, a
    dozen years ago it was very difficult to get a serious hearing anywhere for innovative cancer
    treatments. But today that situation has dramatically changed. The US government now spends almost
    $100 million per year researching alternative medicine. Both the National Cancer Institute and the
    National Institutes of Health have offices whose charge is specifically to examine such treatments.
    There are half a dozen peer-reviewed journals that are eager to publish findings on non-conventional
    approaches.

    Publication in peer-reviewed journals is the accepted meeting ground of science: most genuine
    scientists try extremely hard to put their research in front of their peers. The conspicuous
    absence of peer-reviewed research on PolyMVA is therefore inexplicable. If there are really 300
    physicians currently using PolyMVA routinely in cancer treatment, as some of the drug's proponents
    suggest, why has none of them published data on the clinical benefits of the treatment? How could
    a board-certified physician conclude that the "war on cancer" has been successfully concluded
    through PolyMVA and yet not explain the basis of that earthshaking conclusion in a reputable
    medical journal?

    Even though anecdotal evidence cannot take the place of thorough clinical trials, such evidence is
    not entirely without value as a tentative indicator of merit. It might, for example, be worthwhile
    for PolyMVA proponents to carefully sift through the many anecdotes to put together a serious
    presentation to the Cancer Advisory Panel on Complementary and Alternative Medicine (CAP-CAM) of the
    National Institutes of Health. That panel was set up, with great effort, precisely to review claims
    of benefit from alternative treatments. If there were still sufficient interest after the
    presentation, this could lay the groundwork for a proper clinical trial. Without even the most basic
    scientific groundwork, however, the evidence for PolyMVA's effectiveness remains flimsy at best. "

    Peter Moran

  2. "Peter Moran" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    From a recent Moss report on PolyMVA, an anti-cancer "supplement".

    "I am familiar with all the obstacles that exist for publishing innovative medical work. Indeed, a
    dozen years ago it was very difficult to get a serious hearing anywhere for innovative cancer
    treatments. But today that situation has dramatically changed. The US government now spends almost
    $100 million per year researching alternative medicine. Both the National Cancer Institute and the
    National Institutes of Health have offices whose charge is specifically to examine such
    treatments. There are half a dozen peer-reviewed journals that are eager to publish findings on
    non-conventional approaches.

    Publication in peer-reviewed journals is the accepted meeting ground of science: most genuine
    scientists try extremely hard to put their research in front of their peers. The conspicuous
    absence of peer-reviewed research on PolyMVA is therefore inexplicable. If there are really 300
    physicians currently using PolyMVA routinely in cancer treatment, as some of the drug's proponents
    suggest, why has none of them published data on the clinical benefits of the treatment? How could
    a board-certified physician conclude that the "war on cancer" has been successfully concluded
    through PolyMVA and yet not explain the basis of that earthshaking conclusion in a reputable
    medical journal?

    Even though anecdotal evidence cannot take the place of thorough clinical trials, such evidence
    is not entirely without value as a tentative indicator of merit. It might, for example, be
    worthwhile for PolyMVA proponents to carefully sift through the many anecdotes to put together a
    serious presentation to the Cancer Advisory Panel on Complementary and Alternative Medicine (CAP-
    CAM) of the National Institutes of Health. That panel was set up, with great effort, precisely to
    review claims of benefit from alternative treatments. If there were still sufficient interest
    after the presentation, this could lay the groundwork for a proper clinical trial. Without even
    the most basic scientific groundwork, however, the evidence for PolyMVA's effectiveness remains
    flimsy at best. "

    Moss' perspective can be readily applied to many of the so-called miracles of alternative medicine.
    If people are realy being cured at such fantastic rates, where are the case reports?

    They are meely smoke and mirrors.

  3. Quoted message said:

    From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
    Date: 11/4/2003 12:45 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Ralph Moss talks sense

    Are you just now learning that??

    He has always talked sense.

    ralphmoss.comreports.shtml

    Jan

    Quoted message said:

    From a recent Moss report on PolyMVA, an anti-cancer "supplement".

    "I am familiar with all the obstacles that exist for publishing innovative medical work. Indeed, a
    dozen years ago it was very difficult to get a serious hearing anywhere for innovative cancer
    treatments. But today that situation has dramatically changed. The US government now spends almost
    $100 million per year researching alternative medicine. Both the National Cancer Institute and the
    National Institutes of Health have offices whose charge is specifically to examine such treatments.
    There are half a dozen peer-reviewed journals that are eager to publish findings on non-
    conventional approaches.

    Publication in peer-reviewed journals is the accepted meeting ground of science: most genuine
    scientists try extremely hard to put their research in front of their peers. The conspicuous
    absence of peer-reviewed research on PolyMVA is therefore inexplicable. If there are really 300
    physicians currently using PolyMVA routinely in cancer treatment, as some of the drug's proponents
    suggest, why has none of them published data on the clinical benefits of the treatment? How could
    a board-certified physician conclude that the "war on cancer" has been successfully concluded
    through PolyMVA and yet not explain the basis of that earthshaking conclusion in a reputable
    medical journal?

    Even though anecdotal evidence cannot take the place of thorough clinical trials, such evidence
    is not entirely without value as a tentative indicator of merit. It might, for example, be
    worthwhile for PolyMVA proponents to carefully sift through the many anecdotes to put together a
    serious presentation to the Cancer Advisory Panel on Complementary and Alternative Medicine (CAP-
    CAM) of the National Institutes of Health. That panel was set up, with great effort, precisely to
    review claims of benefit from alternative treatments. If there were still sufficient interest
    after the presentation, this could lay the groundwork for a proper clinical trial. Without even
    the most basic scientific groundwork, however, the evidence for PolyMVA's effectiveness remains
    flimsy at best. "

    Peter Moran

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