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race report: staten island 1/2 marathon

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  1. Dan told Tom:

    Quoted message said:

    I've had the same experience pacing a slower marathoner -- it's
    discombobulating to run non-race pace in a race.

    I wondered how it'd feel to run a bit less than all-out today for the
    Staten Island half marathon, which I approached as a MP training run 3
    weeks out from my marathon.

    Turns out it felt very good. I'm sure a large part of that was
    physical: cruising at 10 or 20 seconds per mile slower than I might
    otherwise attempt is obviously less work. But it also seemed so much
    easier psychologically: so much less pressure to aim for roughly MP
    (and in part let my results refine my notion of exactly what "MP" was)
    than the burden of redlining for an hour and a half, where it's
    squeezing every last second out of the old legs and lungs and whatever
    is of utmost importance.

    So I'd intended to turn the day into about an 18 miler, with 5 prior to
    the race, the first 4-5 miles of the race also at slower pace, then the
    last 8-9 at MP. Got delayed a bit getting to the start then needed a
    second potty stop (hadn't arisen quite early enough for the coffee to
    have worked its full magic - was a bit behind on sleep after a busy
    week & an out-of-town wedding), so I only snuck in 2 warmup miles.
    That seemed to argue for running more of the 13.1 faster, so I figured
    the first 2-3 slower then 10-11 around 7:15/mi, which is about my most
    bullish MP estimate/hope.

    Weather a bit tricky: sunny and warming (to about 59F by my finish) but
    strong winds around 15 mph with some gusts of 25-30. And much of the
    course would be exposed along or very near the waterfront. So although
    I'm often one of the least-dressed runners in any crowd, I opted for a
    long sleeve shirt over my shorts and was glad I did, having suffered in
    a chilly breezy marathon last fall.

    Started slow, behind about 3000 of the 3300+ racers; cranked it up to
    MP after a couple miles and passed around 2600 of them to finish #392.
    More importantly, was pretty much able to hit my goal pace and felt
    very strong the last few miles. Except for one mile where I was over a
    minute off pace - it was hilly and windy and I lost a few additional
    seconds futzing with a gel and salt and L-tyrosine pills before the
    water stop, but still this minute anomaly was and is a bit worrisome.
    I think I just really suck on uphills and will try to charge hard on
    uphills in training runs these next 3 weeks, which hopefully will help
    at least psychologically.

    Splits: 8:15, 7:24, 7:15, 7:20, 7:25, 6:57, 7:22, 8:23, 6:50,
    7:14,7:09, 7:12, 6:41, 0:49

    Since want to run long (at least 18 in my book) and didn't this
    weekend, I need to decide whether it's too silly to run that far next
    weekend, 2 weeks out.

    Anyhow I'm basically happy with how this race-as-training-run went, and
    with how I felt stronger as the race wore on (corroborated by stopwatch
    and the hordes of people I continue to pass decisively in the last
    several miles) - it seemed like miles 10, 11, 12, 13 came up sooner
    than I expected, which is a pleasant change. I'm not quite where I
    months ago hoped to be but reasonably satisfied to feel that sub-3:15
    is likely within reach, and 3:10 may be possible in perfect weather.

    The post-race pizza at Denino's (on Staten Island) was the best part -
    I can understand why they're often listed as a top-5 place, sometimes
    even #1 in the city (though that's not right, nobody matches DiFara's
    in Brooklyn).

  2. Thanks for the report and congrats on a good run. I was quite
    curious to read how it went, since I'm running a 1/2 a month
    out from my marathon and am trying to decide how much gas to
    give the effort. I'm thinking maybe like you, perhaps try for
    10-15 secs less for the first few and then try to hold MP for
    at least the last seven...we'll see I guess. But glad it went
    well!

    Teresa in AZ

    Charlie Pendejo said:

    I wondered how it'd feel to run a bit less than all-out today for the
    Staten Island half marathon, which I approached as a MP training run 3
    weeks out from my marathon.

    Turns out it felt very good. I'm sure a large part of that was
    physical: cruising at 10 or 20 seconds per mile slower than I might
    otherwise attempt is obviously less work. But it also seemed so much
    easier psychologically: so much less pressure to aim for roughly MP
    (and in part let my results refine my notion of exactly what "MP" was)
    than the burden of redlining for an hour and a half, where it's
    squeezing every last second out of the old legs and lungs and whatever
    is of utmost importance.

    So I'd intended to turn the day into about an 18 miler, with 5 prior to
    the race, the first 4-5 miles of the race also at slower pace, then the
    last 8-9 at MP. Got delayed a bit getting to the start then needed a
    second potty stop (hadn't arisen quite early enough for the coffee to
    have worked its full magic - was a bit behind on sleep after a busy
    week & an out-of-town wedding), so I only snuck in 2 warmup miles.
    That seemed to argue for running more of the 13.1 faster, so I figured
    the first 2-3 slower then 10-11 around 7:15/mi, which is about my most
    bullish MP estimate/hope.

    Started slow, behind about 3000 of the 3300+ racers; cranked it up to
    MP after a couple miles and passed around 2600 of them to finish #392.
    More importantly, was pretty much able to hit my goal pace and felt
    very strong the last few miles.

    Anyhow I'm basically happy with how this race-as-training-run went, and
    with how I felt stronger as the race wore on (corroborated by stopwatch
    and the hordes of people I continue to pass decisively in the last
    several miles) - it seemed like miles 10, 11, 12, 13 came up sooner
    than I expected, which is a pleasant change. I'm not quite where I
    months ago hoped to be but reasonably satisfied to feel that sub-3:15
    is likely within reach, and 3:10 may be possible in perfect weather.

  3. Charlie Pendejo said:

    I think I just really suck on uphills and will try to charge hard on
    uphills in training runs these next 3 weeks, which hopefully will help
    at least psychologically.

    Charging hard helps for physical and physiological training, but be sure
    you recognize the effort level / pace you need to run for a good race.
    If you're running relatively constant effort, you *will* slow down some
    on uphill.

    Quoted message said:


    Splits: 8:15, 7:24, 7:15, 7:20, 7:25, 6:57, 7:22, 8:23, 6:50,
    7:14,7:09, 7:12, 6:41, 0:49

    Since want to run long (at least 18 in my book) and didn't this
    weekend, I need to decide whether it's too silly to run that far next
    weekend, 2 weeks out.

    Anyhow I'm basically happy with how this race-as-training-run went, and
    with how I felt stronger as the race wore on (corroborated by stopwatch
    and the hordes of people I continue to pass decisively in the last
    several miles) - it seemed like miles 10, 11, 12, 13 came up sooner
    than I expected, which is a pleasant change.

    Congratulations, Charlie. Feeling stronger at the end and passing people
    is a really good sign!

    I'm not quite where I

    Quoted message said:

    months ago hoped to be but reasonably satisfied to feel that sub-3:15
    is likely within reach, and 3:10 may be possible in perfect weather.

    The post-race pizza at Denino's (on Staten Island) was the best part -
    I can understand why they're often listed as a top-5 place, sometimes
    even #1 in the city (though that's not right, nobody matches DiFara's
    in Brooklyn).

    Sounds like a winner! congrats.

    Dot

    --
    "running is a mysterious journey that we take not just to beat other
    people or to stay in reasonable physical shape - but to find out more
    about ourselves" - Owen Anderson

  4. Dot said:

    If you're running relatively constant effort, you *will* slow down
    some on uphill.

    Sure. But I'm convinced the optimal amount of slowing is less than I
    usually do (though more than those around me who clearly wear
    themselves out on the up, then to recover jog the down about as slow as
    the up).

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The post-race pizza at Denino's (on Staten Island) was the best part

    Sounds like a winner!

    Our party included three parents of 1930's vintage, along with my wife
    and I. The ol^H^Hparental folks reminisced about the first pizza they
    remembered. In my dad's case (Midwesterner all his life), he'd never
    heard of pizza until encountering it in the mid 50's during his army
    service... in Alaska!

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