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Question/doubts about zigzag diet

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  1. Hi
    I'm a skinny European 20 years old male, weight 125 pounds, height 5,7
    feet and 15% body fat. I'm a newby and just bought a pair of dumbbells
    with several plates.
    I'm interested in the zigzag diet:
    http://www.drsquat.com/index.cfm?action=viewarticle&articleID=58

    But I don't understand this: should I calculate my daily caloric
    expenditure hour by hour and add 250 calories (2 calories per pound of
    body weight) to my daily caloric expenditure? Or should I instead add
    250 calories to a fixed caloric intake? What I mean is if I add 250
    calories to my daily caloric expenditure then I'm supposed to consume
    more calories those days when I lift and less calories those days when
    I don't lift. Right? Or should I consume the same amount of calories
    those 5 days of "overeating" in spite of the resting from lifting days?

    And also: those 2 days when I should "undereat" hence remove 250
    calories from my daily caloric expenditure (whether fixed or dependent
    on daily activity I don't know yet) should I avoid weight lifting or
    exercise? How can I support healing from muscle lesions caused by
    weight lifting if I undereat those days and what would prevent me from
    fainting for lack of fuel if I weight lift while I undereat?

    Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated
    And forgive me if these questions sound really naive or stupid

    Thanks
    Davide

  2. Davide, that diet looks pretty reasonable, that it could work. It
    sort-of mirrors what bodybuilders use via a series of bulking and
    cutting routines.

    At your weight though, you probably shouldn't worry about cutting for a
    while. If I were you, I would eat a lot more calories, and make sure
    you eat a gram of protien per pound of bodyweight, and also plenty of
    carbs and good fats (olive oil, fish oils, typical of many European
    diets anyway, especially where you are from in Italy) along with regular
    resistance training.

    If you eventually want to begin the cutting phase in this diet, I think
    you will need to work out throughout it anyway -- it will help you
    preserve some of your lean muscle mass gain.

    All the above is strictly in my opinion, of course.

    jP

    Davide said:

    Hi
    I'm a skinny European 20 years old male, weight 125 pounds, height 5,7
    feet and 15% body fat. I'm a newby and just bought a pair of dumbbells
    with several plates.
    I'm interested in the zigzag diet:
    http://www.drsquat.com/index.cfm?action=viewarticle&articleID=58

    But I don't understand this: should I calculate my daily caloric
    expenditure hour by hour and add 250 calories (2 calories per pound of
    body weight) to my daily caloric expenditure? Or should I instead add
    250 calories to a fixed caloric intake? What I mean is if I add 250
    calories to my daily caloric expenditure then I'm supposed to consume
    more calories those days when I lift and less calories those days when
    I don't lift. Right? Or should I consume the same amount of calories
    those 5 days of "overeating" in spite of the resting from lifting days?

    And also: those 2 days when I should "undereat" hence remove 250
    calories from my daily caloric expenditure (whether fixed or dependent
    on daily activity I don't know yet) should I avoid weight lifting or
    exercise? How can I support healing from muscle lesions caused by
    weight lifting if I undereat those days and what would prevent me from
    fainting for lack of fuel if I weight lift while I undereat?

    Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated
    And forgive me if these questions sound really naive or stupid

    Thanks
    Davide

  3. jP ha scritto:

    Quoted message said:

    Davide, that diet looks pretty reasonable, that it could work. It
    sort-of mirrors what bodybuilders use via a series of bulking and
    cutting routines.

    At your weight though, you probably shouldn't worry about cutting for a
    while. If I were you, I would eat a lot more calories, and make sure
    you eat a gram of protien per pound of bodyweight, and also plenty of
    carbs and good fats (olive oil, fish oils, typical of many European
    diets anyway, especially where you are from in Italy) along with regular
    resistance training.

    If you eventually want to begin the cutting phase in this diet, I think
    you will need to work out throughout it anyway -- it will help you
    preserve some of your lean muscle mass gain.

    All the above is strictly in my opinion, of course.

    jP

    Davide said:

    Hi
    I'm a skinny European 20 years old male, weight 125 pounds, height 5,7
    feet and 15% body fat. I'm a newby and just bought a pair of dumbbells
    with several plates.
    I'm interested in the zigzag diet:
    http://www.drsquat.com/index.cfm?action=viewarticle&articleID=58

    But I don't understand this: should I calculate my daily caloric
    expenditure hour by hour and add 250 calories (2 calories per pound of
    body weight) to my daily caloric expenditure? Or should I instead add
    250 calories to a fixed caloric intake? What I mean is if I add 250
    calories to my daily caloric expenditure then I'm supposed to consume
    more calories those days when I lift and less calories those days when
    I don't lift. Right? Or should I consume the same amount of calories
    those 5 days of "overeating" in spite of the resting from lifting days?

    And also: those 2 days when I should "undereat" hence remove 250
    calories from my daily caloric expenditure (whether fixed or dependent
    on daily activity I don't know yet) should I avoid weight lifting or
    exercise? How can I support healing from muscle lesions caused by
    weight lifting if I undereat those days and what would prevent me from
    fainting for lack of fuel if I weight lift while I undereat?

    Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated
    And forgive me if these questions sound really naive or stupid

    Thanks
    Davide

    Thanks for your reply
    I will follow your suggestion
    I wonder if the Harris Benedit equation is a good way to calculate my
    daily caloric need. My BMR is 1550 calories to which I added 9 hours of
    resting, 13 hours of very light activity and 2 hours of light activity
    daily, for a total of 1990-2000 calories daily. When I start lifting
    weights I should also add 200-300 calories more as 1 hour of heavy
    activity. So 2200-2300 calories. Is that what I should consume to
    increase lean body mass or this is just what I need "to maintain my
    weight and not to lose more weight" to which I should add even more
    calories?

    Also: I forgot to mention my reason for being interested in the zigzag
    diet. In spite of my underweight body I have a fatty bloated abdomen.
    In fact all the fat I have is in my abdomen and I'm therefore in the
    risky pear shaped category (despite my being underweight ... I know:
    this is strange)
    So what I was afraid is that in my attempt to put on some weight and
    muscle I would also add a lot of hard to lose fat to my abdominal area
    🙁

    Thanks again for your help
    Davide

  4. "Davide" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    jP ha scritto:

    Quoted message said:

    Davide, that diet looks pretty reasonable, that it could work. It
    sort-of mirrors what bodybuilders use via a series of bulking and
    cutting routines.

    At your weight though, you probably shouldn't worry about cutting for a
    while. If I were you, I would eat a lot more calories, and make sure
    you eat a gram of protien per pound of bodyweight, and also plenty of
    carbs and good fats (olive oil, fish oils, typical of many European
    diets anyway, especially where you are from in Italy) along with
    regular resistance training.

    If you eventually want to begin the cutting phase in this diet, I think
    you will need to work out throughout it anyway -- it will help you
    preserve some of your lean muscle mass gain.

    All the above is strictly in my opinion, of course.

    jP

    Davide said:

    Hi
    I'm a skinny European 20 years old male, weight 125 pounds, height
    5,7 feet and 15% body fat. I'm a newby and just bought a pair of
    dumbbells with several plates.
    I'm interested in the zigzag diet:
    http://www.drsquat.com/index.cfm?action=viewarticle&articleID=58

    But I don't understand this: should I calculate my daily caloric
    expenditure hour by hour and add 250 calories (2 calories per pound
    of body weight) to my daily caloric expenditure? Or should I instead
    add 250 calories to a fixed caloric intake? What I mean is if I add
    250 calories to my daily caloric expenditure then I'm supposed to
    consume more calories those days when I lift and less calories those
    days when I don't lift. Right? Or should I consume the same amount of
    calories those 5 days of "overeating" in spite of the resting from
    lifting days?

    And also: those 2 days when I should "undereat" hence remove 250
    calories from my daily caloric expenditure (whether fixed or
    dependent on daily activity I don't know yet) should I avoid weight
    lifting or exercise? How can I support healing from muscle lesions
    caused by weight lifting if I undereat those days and what would
    prevent me from fainting for lack of fuel if I weight lift while I
    undereat?

    Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated
    And forgive me if these questions sound really naive or stupid

    Thanks
    Davide

    Thanks for your reply
    I will follow your suggestion
    I wonder if the Harris Benedit equation is a good way to calculate my
    daily caloric need. My BMR is 1550 calories to which I added 9 hours of
    resting, 13 hours of very light activity and 2 hours of light activity
    daily, for a total of 1990-2000 calories daily. When I start lifting
    weights I should also add 200-300 calories more as 1 hour of heavy
    activity. So 2200-2300 calories. Is that what I should consume to
    increase lean body mass or this is just what I need "to maintain my
    weight and not to lose more weight" to which I should add even more
    calories?

    Also: I forgot to mention my reason for being interested in the zigzag
    diet. In spite of my underweight body I have a fatty bloated abdomen.
    In fact all the fat I have is in my abdomen and I'm therefore in the
    risky pear shaped category (despite my being underweight ... I know:
    this is strange)
    So what I was afraid is that in my attempt to put on some weight and
    muscle I would also add a lot of hard to lose fat to my abdominal area
    🙁

    Thanks again for your help
    Davide

    Yep, not much muscle so the fat you have is still too much. Lots of people
    in that situation.

    The previous poster is probably right; lift heavy, let yourself gain
    weight slowly (1 lb a week is a reasonable rule of thumb) and see where
    you're at in 20 pounds or so.

    If you want to do the zigzag thing, don't sweat the details; eat a little
    under sometimes, a little over most times, use the scale to track your
    progress, and lift the same whichever phase you're in.

    But it sounds like you're an obsessive and that's probably too easy for
    you. You might like Lyle's Ultimate Diet 2.0 (www.bodyrecomposition.com),
    which will let you obsess in ways you never dreamed possible, will tell
    you exactly what to eat and what to lift, and also works.

    Hugh

    --
    Exercise is a dirty word. Whenever I hear it, I wash my mouth out with
    chocolate. ("Ladi"😉

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