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  1. Remember the intercessory prayer study of pregnancy rates in women being
    treated with in vitro fertilization-embryo transfer?
    jreprodmed.comjrm1137.htm
    spiritualityhealth.comitem 4020.html

    E-Skeptic has an article about it.
    **********************************************
    E-Skeptic #21 For May 25, 2004

    Copyright 2004 Michael Shermer, Skeptics Society, Skeptic
    magazine, e-Skeptic magazine (www.skeptic.com and
    <[email hidden]>😉. Permission to print, distribute, and
    post with proper citation and acknowledgment. We encourage
    you to broadcast e-Skeptic to new potential subscribers.
    www.skeptic.com: Where Nothing is Certain...But We're Not
    Sure About That...

    [snip]

    Prayer Study Flawed and Fraud Columbia University prayer
    study author pleads guilty to felony charges

    This important report from Skeptic Bruce L. Flamm, MD,
    Clinical Professor of Obstetrics and Gynecology, University
    of California, Irvine, [email hidden]

    In the horrible days following the destruction of the World
    Trade Center by Islamic zealots many Americans prayed for a
    miracle or a sign from God. Such a miracle apparently
    occurred and was widely documented in newspaper and magazine
    articles. On October 2, 2001 the New York Times reported
    that researchers at prestigious Columbia University in New
    York found that infertile women who were prayed for became
    pregnant twice as often as those who did not have people
    praying for them. The study's results were absolutely
    miraculous. In Vitro Fertilization (IVF) is the most
    advanced form of infertility treatment currently available
    and represents the last hope for women with severe
    infertility. Therefore, any technique that could increase
    the efficacy of IVF by even a few percent would be a medical
    breakthrough. Yet the Columbia University study claimed to
    have demonstrated, in a carefully designed randomized
    controlled trial, that distant prayer by anonymous prayer
    groups increased the suc

    The following facts related to the Columbia University
    prayer study confirm that those physicians who doubted the
    study's astounding results had extremely good reasons to be
    skeptical. It will be interesting to see if ABC's Dr.
    Johnson, a medical doctor who also serves as an evangelical
    minister at the fundamentalist Community Covenant Church in
    West Peabody, Massachusetts, will report or ignore the
    following shocking information.

    The study's three authors were Kwang Cha, Rogerio Lobo, and
    Daniel Wirth.
    Dr.Cha, has left Columbia University and refuses to return
    phone calls or letters about the report. Dr. Rogerio
    Lobo, identified by the New York Times and ABC News as
    the report's lead author, now claims to have not been
    involved with the study until after its completion and to
    have provided only, "editorial assistance". Dr. Lobo also
    refuses to return phone calls or letters about the study.
    If the report's lead author did not conduct the
    international prayer study, who did'

    The remaining author is a mysterious individual known as
    Daniel Wirth. Mr. Wirth has no medical degree but does have
    a long history of publishing studies on mysterious
    supernatural or paranormal phenomena. Many of these studies
    originated from an entity called, "Healing Sciences Research
    International" an organization that Mr. Wirth supposedly
    headed. This entity's only known address was apparently a
    Post Office Box in Orinda California. Wirth holds an MS
    degree is in the dubious field of "parapsychology" and also
    has a law degree.

    In October 2002, Mr. Wirth, along with his former research
    associate Joseph Horvath also known as Joseph Hessler, was
    indicted by a federal grand jury. Both men were charged with
    bilking the troubled cable television provider Adelphia
    Communications Corporation out of $2.1 million by
    infiltrating the company, then having it pay for
    unauthorized consulting work. Police investigators
    discovered that Wirth is also known as John Wayne Truelove.
    FBI investigators revealed that Wirth first used the name of
    Truelove, a New York child who died at age 5 in 1959, to
    obtain a passport in the mid-1980's. Wirth and his
    accomplice were charged with 13 counts of mail fraud, 12
    counts of interstate transportation of stolen money, making
    false statements on loan applications and five other counts
    of fraud. The federal grand jury concluded that the
    relationship between Wirth and Horvath extended back more
    than 20 years and involved more than $3.4 million in income
    and property obtained by using the na

    Incredibly, at the time of the indictment, Horvath was
    already in jail charged with arson for burning down his
    Pennsylvania house to collect insurance money. The FBI
    investigation revealed that Horvath had previously gone to
    prison after being convicted in a 1990 embezzlement and
    false identity case in California. Interestingly, the
    investigation also revealed that he had also once been
    arrested for posing as a doctor in California. It appears
    that the "doctor" who performed biopsies on human research
    subjects in Wirth's paranormal healing studies may have
    actually been Mr. Horvath impersonating a doctor. Horvath
    was a co-author on another of Wirth's bizarre studies in
    which salamander limbs were amputated and found to grow
    back more quickly when "healers" waived their hands over
    the wounds.

    Both Wirth and Horvath initially plead innocent to the
    felony charges and over the next 18 months their trial was
    delayed six times. However, on May 18, 2004, just as the
    criminal trial of the United States v. Wirth & Horvath was
    finally about to begin, both men pled guilty to conspiracy
    to commit mail fraud and conspiracy to commit bank fraud.
    Apparently a plea bargain had been made and many of the
    charges had been dropped. Wirth and Horvath will be
    sentenced in September and they each face a maximum of five
    years in federal prison.

    In summary, one of the authors of the Columbia University
    prayer study has left the University and refuses to comment,
    another now claims to have not actually participated in the
    study and also refuses to comment, and another is on his way
    to federal prison for fraud. Fraud is the operative word
    here. Perhaps the most fascinating aspect of this entire
    sordid saga can be summed up in one question: How did a
    bizarre study claiming supernatural results end up in a peer-
    reviewed medical journal? We may never know because the
    editors of the Journal of Reproductive Medicine also refuse
    to answer calls or respond to letters about this study.
    Worse yet, the entire study remains posted on their internet
    site and the public has been given no reason to doubt its
    validity. It must be emphasized that, in the entire history
    of modern science, no claim of any type of supernatural
    phenomena has ever been replicated under controlled
    conditions. The importance of this fact can not be over
    emphasized.

    In reality, the Columbia University prayer study was based
    on a bewildering study design and included many sources of
    error. I have already summarized many of the study's
    potential flaws in two critiques published in the Scientific
    Review of Alternative Medicine. But worse than flaws, in
    light of all of the shocking information presented above,
    one must consider the sad possibility that the Columbia
    prayer study may never have been conducted at all. It
    remains to be seen if the news media will find the above
    information to be newsworthy.

    --------------------------------------

  2. BIBLICAL MEDICINE: DR. FLAMM HAS HIS PANTIES IN A BUNCH!

    "Skeptic" obstetrician Bruce Flamm, MD has his panties in a
    bunch because someone committed the dastardly fraud of
    claiming that prayer increased the rate of In Vitro
    Fertilization/IVF.

    See post forwarded below.

    Writes Flamm:

    "It must be emphasized that, in the entire history of modern
    science, no claim of any type of supernatural phenomena has
    ever been replicated under controlled conditions. The
    importance of this fact can not be over emphasized."

    LOL!

    I'm pretty sure I know what Flamm is getting at - but
    replicating fraudulent CLAIMS is simple as pie!

    Happens all the time!

    In 1987, I had the grave misfortune of exposing the fraud
    behind the MD claim that babies can't feel pain. See Various
    MD crimes, URL below.

    The spectacle of the journal Pediatrics replicating this
    bizarre "babies can't feel pain" claim INDIRECTLY has
    something to do with a common supernatural phenomenon
    commanded by the Bible...

    American medicine's most frequent surgical behavior toward
    males - mostly performed by obstetricians - is the surgery
    that a God ostensibly told Jews to perform in perpetuity -
    in order to have all the land between the Nile and the
    Euphrates - or so I've seen the Bible interpreted. (I think
    all the land between the Nile and the Euphrates language is
    stated in Likud party literature in Israel.)

    Here are some excerpts from the medical literature...

    "After years of strapping babies down for this brutal
    procedure and listening to their screams, we couldn't take
    it any longer." [Sperlich BK, Conant M. Am J Nurs
    (Jun)1994:16. "]http://www.cirp.org/nrc/]

    "Nursing alert...[N]urses must consider their participation
    in a surgical procedure that involves no anesthesia to be a
    barbaric practice." (p. 205) Donna L. Wong's Essentials of
    Pediatric Nursing [1997]

    "[S]till all too often barbaric...[M.D.s]...would never
    allow older children or adults to be subjected to such
    practices, nor would they submit to it themselves..."
    [Veteran circumcision cheerleader Colonel Thomas E.
    Wiswell, MD in article in the April 24, 1997 New England
    Journal of Medicine]

    THINK ABOUT IT

    AS INFANTS SCREAM AND WRITHE AND BLEED...

    "One-half to one-third of the skin on the...penile shaft is
    sliced off." infocirc.orgMensHlth.htm
    (paraphrasing Ronald Goldman, PhD, author of Circumcision:
    The Hidden Trauma)

    "The average circumcision cuts off what would grow into

    infocirc.orgMensHlth.htm (quoting Ronald
    Goldman, PhD, author of Circumcision: The Hidden Trauma)

    In late 1987 I called for a religious exemption for Jews and
    an end to the obvious mass child abuse performed mostly by
    obstetricians.

    In Jan 1988, pediatricians came out against ALL religious
    exemptions - it was anti-Semitism at its worst.

    In Feb 1988, pediatricians proposed anonymity for
    PERPETRATORS of child abuse.

    In March 1988, the California Medical Association ignored
    its own Scientific Board and by voice vote made the obvious
    crime (that sometimes kills babies) into "an effective
    public health measure." (!)

    America's pediatricians and obstetricians are STILL making
    most American male babies scream and writhe and bleed in
    indirect support of the Jews' supernatural claim.

    Indeed, an obstetric journal recently printed the spurious
    claim of obstetricians (in effect) that making babies scream
    and writhe and bleed and sometimes die has "real medical
    benefits."

    NOTE: Obstetric journals are ignoring FAR WORSE mass
    child abuse by obstetricians - some of which
    involves slicing of vaginas in adults - to open
    birth canals - even as obstetricians keep birth
    canals closed up to 30%...

    See Various MD crimes (obvious ones)... health.groups.yahoo.comchiro
    list/message/2541

    Obstetricians are KILLING some babies and publishing
    MASSIVE fraud.

    Meanwhile, "skeptic" obstetrician Flamm gets his panties
    in a bunch about a fraudulent claim that prayer makes more
    IVF babies.

    Sheesh.

    Thanks for reading.

    Sincerely,

    Todd

    Dr. Gastaldo [email hidden]

    Copied to: Bruce Flamm, MD at [email hidden]

    Copied to: Michael Shermer, Skeptics Society, Skeptic
    magazine at [email hidden]


    "Nana Weedkiller" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Remember the intercessory prayer study of pregnancy rates
    in women being treated with in vitro fertilization-embryo
    transfer? jreprodmed.comjrm1137.htm http-
    ://www.spiritualityhealth.com/newsh/items/article/item_4-
    020.html

    E-Skeptic has an article about it.
    **********************************************
    E-Skeptic #21 For May 25, 2004

    Copyright 2004 Michael Shermer, Skeptics Society, Skeptic
    magazine, e-Skeptic magazine (www.skeptic.com and
    <[email hidden]>😉. Permission to print, distribute,
    and post with proper citation and acknowledgment. We
    encourage you to broadcast e-Skeptic to new potential
    subscribers. www.skeptic.com: Where Nothing is
    Certain...But We're Not Sure About


    That...
    Quoted message said:


    [snip]

    Prayer Study Flawed and Fraud Columbia University prayer
    study author pleads guilty to felony charges

    This important report from Skeptic Bruce L. Flamm, MD,
    Clinical Professor


    of
    Quoted message said:

    Obstetrics and Gynecology, University of California,
    Irvine, [email hidden]

    In the horrible days following the destruction of the
    World Trade Center


    by
    Quoted message said:

    Islamic zealots many Americans prayed for a miracle or a
    sign from God.


    Such
    Quoted message said:

    a miracle apparently occurred and was widely documented in
    newspaper and magazine articles. On October 2, 2001 the
    New York Times reported that researchers


    at
    Quoted message said:

    prestigious Columbia University in New York found that
    infertile women who were prayed for became pregnant twice
    as often as those who did not have people praying for
    them. The study's results were absolutely miraculous. In
    Vitro Fertilization (IVF) is the most advanced form of
    infertility treatment currently available and represents
    the last hope for women with severe infertility.
    Therefore, any technique that could increase the efficacy
    of IVF by even a few percent would be a medical
    breakthrough. Yet the Columbia University study claimed to
    have demonstrated, in a carefully designed randomized
    controlled trial, that distant prayer by anonymous prayer
    groups increased the suc

    The following facts related to the Columbia University
    prayer study


    confirm
    Quoted message said:

    that those physicians who doubted the study's astounding
    results had extremely good reasons to be skeptical. It
    will be interesting to see if ABC's Dr.


    Johnson,
    Quoted message said:

    a medical doctor who also serves as an evangelical
    minister at the fundamentalist Community Covenant Church
    in West Peabody, Massachusetts, will report or ignore the
    following shocking information.

    The study's three authors were Kwang Cha, Rogerio Lobo,
    and Daniel Wirth.
    Dr.Cha, has left Columbia University and refuses to return
    phone calls or letters about the report. Dr. Rogerio
    Lobo, identified by the New York Times and


    ABC
    Quoted message said:

    News as the report's lead author, now claims to have not
    been involved


    with
    Quoted message said:

    the study until after its completion and to have provided
    only, "editorial assistance". Dr. Lobo also refuses to
    return phone calls or letters about the study. If the
    report's lead author did not conduct the international


    prayer
    Quoted message said:

    study, who did'

    The remaining author is a mysterious individual known as
    Daniel Wirth. Mr. Wirth has no medical degree but does
    have a long history of publishing studies


    on
    Quoted message said:

    mysterious supernatural or paranormal phenomena. Many of
    these studies originated from an entity called, "Healing
    Sciences Research


    International"
    Quoted message said:

    an organization that Mr. Wirth supposedly headed. This
    entity's only known address was apparently a Post
    Office Box in Orinda California. Wirth holds an MS
    degree is in the dubious field of "parapsychology" and
    also has a law degree.

    In October 2002, Mr. Wirth, along with his former research
    associate


    Joseph
    Quoted message said:

    Horvath also known as Joseph Hessler, was indicted by a
    federal grand


    jury.
    Quoted message said:

    Both men were charged with bilking the troubled cable
    television provider Adelphia Communications Corporation
    out of $2.1 million by infiltrating the


    company,
    Quoted message said:

    then having it pay for unauthorized consulting work.
    Police investigators discovered that Wirth is also known
    as John Wayne Truelove. FBI investigators


    revealed
    Quoted message said:

    that Wirth first used the name of Truelove, a New York
    child who died at age 5


    in
    Quoted message said:

    1959, to obtain a passport in the mid-1980's. Wirth and
    his accomplice


    were
    Quoted message said:

    charged with 13 counts of mail fraud, 12 counts of
    interstate


    transportation
    Quoted message said:

    of stolen money, making false statements on loan
    applications and five other counts of fraud. The federal
    grand jury concluded that the relationship between Wirth
    and Horvath extended back more than 20 years and involved
    more than $3.4 million in income and property obtained by
    using the na

    Incredibly, at the time of the indictment, Horvath was
    already in jail charged with arson for burning down his
    Pennsylvania house to collect insurance money. The FBI
    investigation revealed that Horvath had previously gone to
    prison after being convicted in a 1990 embezzlement and
    false identity case in California. Interestingly, the
    investigation also revealed that he had


    also
    Quoted message said:

    once been arrested for posing as a doctor in California.
    It appears that the "doctor" who performed biopsies on
    human research subjects in Wirth's paranormal healing
    studies may have actually been Mr. Horvath impersonating a
    doctor. Horvath was a co-author on another of Wirth's
    bizarre studies in which salamander limbs were amputated
    and found to grow back more quickly when "healers" waived
    their hands over the wounds.

    Both Wirth and Horvath initially plead innocent to the
    felony charges and over the next 18 months their trial was
    delayed six times. However, on May 18, 2004, just as the
    criminal trial of the United States v. Wirth & Horvath was
    finally about to begin, both men pled guilty to conspiracy
    to commit mail fraud


    and
    Quoted message said:

    conspiracy to commit bank fraud. Apparently a plea bargain
    had been made


    and
    Quoted message said:

    many of the charges had been dropped. Wirth and Horvath
    will be sentenced


    in
    Quoted message said:

    September and they each face a maximum of five years in
    federal prison.

    In summary, one of the authors of the Columbia University
    prayer study has left the University and refuses to
    comment, another now claims to have not actually
    participated in the study and also refuses to comment, and
    another is on


    his
    Quoted message said:

    way to federal prison for fraud. Fraud is the operative
    word here. Perhaps the most fascinating aspect of this
    entire sordid saga can be summed up in one question: How
    did a bizarre study claiming supernatural results end up
    in a peer-reviewed medical journal? We may never know
    because the editors of the Journal of Reproductive
    Medicine also refuse to answer calls or respond to letters
    about this study. Worse yet, the entire study remains
    posted on their internet site and the public has been
    given no reason to doubt its validity. It must be
    emphasized that, in the entire history of modern science,
    no claim of any type of supernatural phenomena has ever
    been replicated under controlled conditions. The
    importance of this fact can not be over emphasized.

    In reality, the Columbia University prayer study was
    based on a


    bewildering
    Quoted message said:

    study design and included many sources of error. I have
    already summarized many of the study's potential flaws in
    two critiques published in the


    Scientific
    Quoted message said:

    Review of Alternative Medicine. But worse than flaws, in
    light of all of


    the
    Quoted message said:

    shocking information presented above, one must
    consider the sad


    possibility
    Quoted message said:

    that the Columbia prayer study may never have been
    conducted at all. It remains to be seen if the news media
    will find the above information to be newsworthy.

    --------------------------------------

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