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  1. Dan Goodman said:
    nancree said:

    Michael,
    If you had read my post, you would see that Google Groups (the only way
    I have of reading posts now that AOL has quit serviing them)

    Take a look at http://news.individual.net -- people whose opinions are
    generally good in this area have recommended them.

    Think about saying goodbye to AOL and hello to an ISP which does have
    Usenet.

    I wholeheartedly agree. But a slight clarification:
    news.individual.net isn't an ISP, it's a usenet service. My ISP
    (Optimum Online) does have usenet but it sucks so badly that I switch
    to n.i.n. for the groups. And just to head off the obvious comment:
    I didn't switch ISP's because I get 8.6MB (yes, that's not a typo)
    download speeds while sitting on the couch running wireless.

    --
    Steve

    Ever wonder about those people who spend $2.00 apiece on those little
    bottles of Evian water? Try spelling Evian backwards...

  2. Dan Goodman said:
    nancree said:

    Michael,
    If you had read my post, you would see that Google Groups (the only way
    I have of reading posts now that AOL has quit serviing them)

    Take a look at http://news.individual.net -- people whose opinions are
    generally good in this area have recommended them.

    Think about saying goodbye to AOL and hello to an ISP which does have
    Usenet.

    I wholeheartedly agree. But a slight clarification:
    news.individual.net isn't an ISP, it's a usenet service. My ISP
    (Optimum Online) does have usenet but it sucks so badly that I switch
    to n.i.n. for the groups. And just to head off the obvious comment:
    I didn't switch ISP's because I get 8.6MB (yes, that's not a typo)
    download speeds while sitting on the couch running wireless.

    --
    Steve

    Ever wonder about those people who spend $2.00 apiece on those little
    bottles of Evian water? Try spelling Evian backwards...

  3. Steve Calvin said:

    I wholeheartedly agree. But a slight clarification: news.individual.net
    isn't an ISP, it's a usenet service. My ISP (Optimum Online) does have
    usenet but it sucks so badly that I switch to n.i.n. for the groups.
    And just to head off the obvious comment: I didn't switch ISP's because
    I get 8.6MB (yes, that's not a typo) download speeds while sitting on
    the couch running wireless.

    I'd love to see someone determine my geographic location from my
    headers which are totally unmunged. It would require a "proof" along
    with it though as I've posted what town I live in several times.

    Any takers? (... I thought not)

    --
    Steve

    Ever wonder about those people who spend $2.00 apiece on those little
    bottles of Evian water? Try spelling Evian backwards...

  4. nancree at [email hidden] wrote on 2/4/05 11:45 PM:

    Quoted message said:
    nancree said:

    Also, Google does not carry your e-mail address on your posts. So


    if

    Quoted message said:

    you need a private reply (some of you ask for that), you'll have to
    include your address in the body of your post.

    Incorrect, merely demonstrating that you don't know how to use the
    Google interface. I suppose that's why you don't bother with quoting
    when you reply.

    Brian--------
    -----------------------
    Again, your post is useless. If you have a helpful suggestion, please
    make it. Otherwise, don't bother me. (Google Groups does *not* carry a
    full e-mail address for the e-mail it posts. They are munged.
    Nancree

    You can hit "Show Options" and it will show you the return address on any
    post you care to do this on. This is the default. It's always available, you
    just have to click on it.

    I was playing around with it at work the other day (the only place I use
    Google to read RFC) and you can actually change the default settings to
    display all posts with header info visible, including the poster's return
    address, if you so choose.

  5. Dog3 said:

    "Scotty" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:jZWMd.272694$8l.131041@pd7tw1no:

    Quoted message said:

    "Dog3" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Default User" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    >nancree wrote:
    >
    >
    >> Also, Google does not carry your e-mail address on your posts.
    >> So
    >
    >if
    >
    >>you need a private reply (some of you ask for that), you'll have to
    >>include your address in the body of your post.
    >
    >
    >Incorrect, merely demonstrating that you don't know how to use the
    >Google interface. I suppose that's why you don't bother with quoting
    >when you reply.
    >
    >
    >
    >Brian

    In all actuality, if that interested she should learn how to read
    headers and IP addresses. You can pinpoint a person's location pretty
    closely unless they have munged their headers. I have the capability
    to munge but I
    don't.

    Michael

    [censored], all she's saying is if you're going to post info about a
    particular store, then let us know where the hell that store is. In
    Vancouver, we don't have Bozwick's or Trader Joe's. So when you say
    "all you need to do is go down to Trader Joe's", I'm wondering what
    the hell you're talking about. Comprender?

    Scott

    [censored] Snotty. There are a lot of freaks out there and many people do not
    like their location known. Everyone in this newsgroup knows where I live
    because I am not worried about it. Some people are. Comprende?

    Michael

    The only people who would really have to worry about this is someone,
    somewhat like you - a jerk, living in a two-horse town and they are both
    good horses. I live in San Diego, some may live in Boise or in Gunnison,
    CO. Most of these places are big enough that if you haven't [censored] on
    someone's foot, you have little to worry about (in fact, you do have
    more to worry about, just taking a shower or driving to work).

    jim

  6. JimLane <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Dog3 said:

    "Scotty" <[email hidden]> wrote in


    news:jZWMd.272694$8l.131041@pd7tw1no:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "Dog3" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >"Default User" <[email hidden]> wrote in


    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>nancree wrote:
    >>> Also, Google does not carry your e-mail address on
    >>> your posts. So if you need a private reply (some of
    >>> you ask for that), you'll have to include your address
    >>> in the body of your post.
    >>
    >> Incorrect, merely demonstrating that you don't know
    >> how to use the Google interface. I suppose that's why
    >> you don't bother with quoting when you reply.
    >>
    > In all actuality, if that interested she should learn how
    > to read headers and IP addresses. You can pinpoint a
    > person's location pretty closely unless they have munged
    > their headers. I have the capability to munge but I don't.
    >
    [censored], all she's saying is if you're going to post info
    about a particular store, then let us know where the hell
    that store is. In Vancouver, we don't have Bozwick's or
    Trader Joe's. So when you say "all you need to do is go
    down to Trader Joe's", I'm wondering what the hell you're
    talking about. Comprender?


    [censored] Snotty. There are a lot of freaks out there and many
    people do not like their location known. Everyone in this
    newsgroup knows where I live because I am not worried
    about it. Some people are. Comprende?


    The only people who would really have to worry about this
    is someone, somewhat like you - a jerk, living in a two-horse
    town and they are both good horses.

    I see you're cutting your pinks and greens in half again, Jimmy. Who,
    exactly, are you replying to since you're either too lazy or incompetent
    to trim the post? There are four to choose and none live in "two-horse
    towns."

    Quoted message said:

    I live in San Diego, some may live in Boise or in Gunnison,
    CO. Most of these places are big enough that if you haven't
    [censored] on someone's foot, you have little to worry about
    (in fact, you do have more to worry about, just taking a
    shower or driving to work).

    I live in a burg only slightly smaller than your four-horse town and
    have had people walk up to me and mention a post or two. I don't hide
    much of where I live but it is mildly creepy when it happens. If someone
    were to actively take an interest in someone, then allowing them this
    innocuous anonymity is just fine. I can easily perform my own searches
    for any store that might be mentioned here... If they have a
    web-presence, so much the better for me.

    The Ranger
    --
    Nothing which was ever expressed originally in the English language
    resembles, except in the most distant way, the thought of Plotinus, or
    Hegel, or Foucault. I take this to be enormously to the credit of our
    language.
    -- David Stove

  7. One time on Usenet said:

    There are some of us who depend on Google for reading newsgroups. When
    someone posts that they can find an item at "Sammy's", or whatever, we
    need to know what city/area that is in.

    Then ask the OP for clarification.

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    And on a cozier note, when someone posts, for instance, "We're snowed
    in", or, "the hurricane is expected to get here tonight", we'd like to
    know where. It's friendlier to know where--we might have relatives in
    that area, or we might just be concerned about you.

    Then ask the OP for clarification.

    Quoted message said:

    Also, Google does not carry your e-mail address on your posts. So if
    you need a private reply (some of you ask for that), you'll have to
    include your address in the body of your post.

    Then find a new Usenet service, such as individual.net...

    --
    J.J. in WA ~ mom, vid gamer, novice cook ~
    "You still haven't explained why the pool is
    filled with elf blood." - Frylock, ATHF

  8. Dog3 said:

    Sheryl Rosen <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    nancree at [email hidden] wrote on 2/4/05 11:45 PM:

    Quoted message said:

    nancree wrote:
    > Also, Google does not carry your e-mail address on your posts. So
    if
    > you need a private reply (some of you ask for that), you'll have to
    > include your address in the body of your post.

    Incorrect, merely demonstrating that you don't know how to use the
    Google interface. I suppose that's why you don't bother with quoting
    when you reply.

    Brian--------
    -----------------------
    Again, your post is useless. If you have a helpful suggestion,
    please make it. Otherwise, don't bother me. (Google Groups does *not*
    carry a full e-mail address for the e-mail it posts. They are
    munged. Nancree

    You can hit "Show Options" and it will show you the return address on
    any post you care to do this on. This is the default. It's always
    available, you just have to click on it.

    I was playing around with it at work the other day (the only place I
    use Google to read RFC) and you can actually change the default
    settings to display all posts with header info visible, including the
    poster's return address, if you so choose.

    Doesn't it say show complete or maybe original format? I think if you click
    that option is shows full headers etc. I have not used it that much to
    really know how it all works. I use Google as a search engine and rarely
    use it to read the groups unless I'm traveling. One thing I do know is if
    you use a Hotmail email address with Google it is virtually impossible to
    trace your region. AOL, WebTV and a few others are completely safe from
    nosy individuals looking to ferret out your whereabouts.

    Michael

    There was a time when anyone could read the profiles on AOL. I
    remember one person was saying that there was no Wal-Mart or K-Mart
    near them. I found the user profile, found the nearest store and told
    them how far it was to the store. I never mentioned the poster's city
    or state and dropped it at that.
    --
    Susan N.

    "Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral, 48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
    Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974)

  9. In Dan Goodman said:
    nancree said:

    There are some of us who depend on Google for reading newsgroups.
    When someone posts that they can find an item at "Sammy's", or
    whatever, we need to know what city/area that is in.

    Not just the Google-users, either. I can _sometimes_ figure out where
    someone is posting from; if the ISP is one I know is local to one area,
    for example.

    Of course, it's possible to _ask_. But my experience in other
    newsgroups has been that the replies tend to be such unhelpful ones as
    "I'm in the South," "I'm on the East Coast," "I'm in California."

    Yes. A lot of people use Google or false names just to keep their
    identity/location secret. Not unusual and well, if you don't recognize
    the shop, you at least know it's not near you. However, if its got
    something you want, the of course you'll just have to ask...

    Reporting live from Sunny Saskatchewan :-)

    --
    Cheers

    Dennis

    Remove 'Elle-Kabong' to reply

  10. Sheryl Rosen said:


    nancree said:
    Quoted message said:

    Also, Google does not carry your e-mail address on your posts. So


    if

    Quoted message said:

    you need a private reply (some of you ask for that), you'll have


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    include your address in the body of your post.

    Incorrect, merely demonstrating that you don't know how to use the
    Google interface. I suppose that's why you don't bother with


    quoting

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    when you reply.

    Brian--------
    -----------------------
    Again, your post is useless. If you have a helpful suggestion,


    please

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    make it. Otherwise, don't bother me. (Google Groups does *not*


    carry a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    full e-mail address for the e-mail it posts. They are munged.
    Nancree

    You can hit "Show Options" and it will show you the return address on


    any

    Quoted message said:

    post you care to do this on. This is the default. It's always


    available, you

    Quoted message said:

    just have to click on it.

    I was playing around with it at work the other day (the only place I


    use

    Quoted message said:

    Google to read RFC) and you can actually change the default settings


    to

    Quoted message said:

    display all posts with header info visible, including the poster's


    return

    Quoted message said:

    address, if you so choose.

    I only just recently subscribed to Google for Newsgroups, about a week
    ago. When I subscribed they asked me to supply a password, an email
    address, and a nickname. I could have easily chosen to supply a munged
    email address and a nicknmae that no one would recognize as being me...
    same as I could with my AOL acct. or with any other ISP/Newsreader. I
    have no doubt whatsoever that many, regardless of how they read
    Newsgroups, whether through Google or otherwise, use munged and/or
    multiple IDs... phoney baloney is just a fact of internet life. But I
    do not do that, never have, never will... I'm exactly who/how I purport
    myself to be.

    Now that I've been using Google long enough to familiarize myself with
    it I don't find it much different from using AOL's Newsgroups feature,
    was just that I was so familiar with AOL's that I could race through
    the posts and make my replys with no effort whatsoever, even while
    multi-tasking. I've used Internet Explorer's Newsgroups feature in
    the past too, Google is easier. I even down loaded the Mozilla
    Newsreader a few days ago and tried it, it sucks, big time, extremely
    cumbersome.

    I have my high speed connection through a local cable company, I can
    easily use it as my only ISP, but I use AOL for lots more, not just to
    access Newsgroups... to me it's well worth keeping it for only
    $15/month... 50¢/day.
    Anyone doesn't like AOL, that's their choice, I like it... Baskin &
    Robins has 31 flavors, why do you think that is?

    I don't like that AOL is going to abandon Usenet, especially without
    even so much as a by your leave... no explanation whatsoever. But for
    now I will continue using AOL... I'm positive many will not... AOL will
    pay a large price for their fercocktah decision.

    Anyway, anyone can munge their ID, and to any degree.

    Sheldon

  11. Nancy Young said:

    "Dan Goodman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:
    Nancy Young said:

    "Scotty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    > [censored], all she's saying is if you're going to post info about a
    > particular store, then let us know where the hell that store is. In
    > Vancouver, we don't have Bozwick's or Trader Joe's. So when you say "all
    > you need to do is go down to Trader Joe's", I'm wondering what the hell
    > you're talking about. Comprender?

    I don't understand ... it's a chain store. Do you have one there? Look
    in the phone book. Online. Whatever. If you don't, you ain't going
    there. No big deal.

    This works _only_ if the chain's store operate enough alike in every city.
    There are such things as sales confined to one area.

    Exactly my point, odds are you do not live near the particular store the
    person is talking about, and you aren't going to fly across the country
    to visit it.

    1) I don't KNOW that the store is in a different metro area.
    2) While I'm not going to fly across the country to visit that store, that
    doesn't mean I'm not going to be in that neighborhood. I might be visiting
    someone who lives there. I might be attending an sf or mystery convention
    there. I might fall in love with someone who lives right next to that
    store, and who won't move.

    --
    Dan Goodman
    Journal http://www.livejournal.com/users/dsgood
    Decluttering http://Decluttering.blogspot.com
    Predictions and Politics http://dsgood.blogspot.com
    All political parties die at last of swallowing their own lies.
    John Arbuthnot (1667-1735), Scottish writer, physician.

  12. Wayne Boatwright said:

    On Fri 04 Feb 2005 09:46:09p, Dan Goodman wrote in rec.food.cooking:

    Quoted message said:
    Nancy Young said:

    "Scotty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    > [censored], all she's saying is if you're going to post info about a
    > particular store, then let us know where the hell that store is. In
    > Vancouver, we don't have Bozwick's or Trader Joe's. So when you say
    > "all you need to do is go down to Trader Joe's", I'm wondering what
    > the hell you're talking about. Comprender?

    I don't understand ... it's a chain store. Do you have one there?
    Look in the phone book. Online. Whatever. If you don't, you ain't
    going there. No big deal.

    This works _only_ if the chain's store operate enough alike in every
    city. There are such things as sales confined to one area. There are
    also cases in which city high-ups interpret their orders from
    headquarters very differently.

    It's true that stores of the same chain in different parts of the country
    or, for that matter, different parts of a city, are often merchandised
    different. Still, if you're familiar with the stores you frequent, you
    should have a pretty good idea whether they have the items in question.

    And exactly when a store which usually charges (in my opinion) too much for
    the quality offered has a sale?

    In the Twin Cities, supermarket chains do not make it easy to know what's
    on sale before you go into the store. There's the flyer in the Sunday
    paper; there are the little ads elsewhere in the Sunday paper; there's the
    in store specials; there's the ad in the Wednesday paper, in the section
    you don't usually bother to read....

    And I don't habitually go to _all_ the supermarkets near me.

    Quoted message said:

    If
    you don't, then you're probably a rather poor observer and shopper.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Also, it doesn't quite cover the case (cited in the original message) of
    someone saying "The Starbucks in my neighborhood is dirty."

    Your own observation should tell you whether the Starbucks in your own
    neighborhood is dirty. Why the hell would you care about some place a
    thousand miles away?

    Because I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S A THOUSAND MILES AWAY.

    And because it might be in the city and neighborhood I'm planning to move
    to, or the one I'm planning to visit.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    And it most certainly DOES NOT cover something related which has annoyed
    me -- people blithely stating grocery prices of certain items without
    saying where those items were being sold.

    Prices for the same item vary across a range of supermarket chains even in
    the same city, not to mention across the country. If you're that niggely
    about the price you should call the store.

    I don't see what the big deal is.

    Uh-huh. I sometimes correct people who think I grew up in New York City --
    I grew up in the Catskills area. Usually, they don't see what the big deal
    is.

    I've known people who didn't see what the big deal is about gun safety.

    I may be wrong, but you seem to be confusing "I don't see what the big deal
    is" with "It's no big deal".

    Quoted message said:

    The original request was petty

    In _your_ opinion.

    Quoted message said:

    and made to sound as though we "owe" this person the information. Not
    the nature of newsgroups, to be sure.

    Well, it would be polite to give the information, knowing that there are
    people here who want it.

    Quoted message said:

    If I had to research and post the source and price for every damn thing I
    posted about, I would probably never post at all.

    I see. It would be an intolerable burden to say "Chicken breasts cost me
    $1.78 a pound at the Dangerway on Burr Boulevard in Iowa City."

    --
    Dan Goodman
    Journal http://www.livejournal.com/users/dsgood
    Decluttering http://Decluttering.blogspot.com
    Predictions and Politics http://dsgood.blogspot.com
    All political parties die at last of swallowing their own lies.
    John Arbuthnot (1667-1735), Scottish writer, physician.

  13. Dan Goodman <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On 5 Feb 2005 13:08:29 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:


    [snip]

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    If I had to research and post the source and price for every
    damn thing I posted about, I would probably never post at all.


    I see. It would be an intolerable burden to say "Chicken breasts
    cost me $1.78 a pound at the Dangerway on Burr Boulevard in
    Iowa City."

    That's why there ar e local hierarchies (aus.*, sa.*, pgh.*, ba.*, la.*,
    etc.) with local newsgroups (*.eats or *.food) devoted to dining and
    food. It's useless to post geographic-specific "sales" such as you've
    cited for such a limited benefit on a multinational group. OTOH, many of
    the chains that do get mentioned have significant "domestic" (Safeway,
    Testco, TJ, to name just a few) or, in a few instances, international
    (Krogers) coverage.

    And then there's the posters that only put minimal effort into what they
    want to say so they post, "Chicken breasts cost me $1.78 a pound at the
    Dangerway." Do they mean US$? Can$? Aus$? Little difference there in
    rates, too, so posting "sales" on any Big8 'group is pointless.

    Your anger and annoyance is misplaced.

    The Ranger

  14. "Ed Grabau and Pam Jacoby" <pjjehg @frontiernet.net> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "skoonj" wrote ...

    Quoted message said:

    "Ang and Bruce"wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    Yeah mate!!!!!!!!
    And adding the bloody COUNTRY would help too!
    <nodding lots>

    I'd say it's safe to assume it's the U.S. unless stated otherwise 😉

    -T

    Sheesh, -T, I know you added the wink but I still think you are being just
    a bit more than offensive to the MANY non-USA participants here!

    Pam

    Oh, come on. The wink makes it clear I was being ironic. At least I'm aware
    of the tendency of US posters to forget that they're not the only ones here.

    -T

  15. On 4 Feb 2005 12:09:44 -0800, "nancree" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    There are some of us who depend on Google for reading newsgroups.

    Nan, why are you stuck with google as your main source?

    sf

  16. Wayne Boatwright said:

    I don't see what the big deal is. The original request was petty and made
    to sound as though we "owe" this person the information. Not the nature of
    newsgroups, to be sure.

    I don't want to stir up a dust storm here, but I agree with you, Wayne.

    I don't particularly give a damn what's on sale at Albertson's (west coast
    chain?), so I just disregard those posts. Simple to do.

    And if I hear that someone's getting good prices on such-and-such, I'll
    check the store(s) where I *do* buy groceries. That's called Real Life.

    Carol
    --
    "Years ago my mother used to say to me... She'd say,
    'In this world Elwood, you must be oh-so smart or oh-so pleasant.'
    Well, for years I was smart.... I recommend pleasant. You may quote me."

    *James Stewart* in the 1950 movie, _Harvey_

  17. On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 14:23:24 -0800, "The Ranger" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Dog3 <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    [snip all of text]

    Thanks for reposting my entire article. <EG> I'm not sure if it was your
    intent but if I'm really being kf'd by North-end-of-a-southbound-mule
    Aikens, he'll see it because he hasn't chastised you with that empty
    threat.

    ROFLMAO! When I re-joined the group a few months ago, someone was
    re-posting my articles until the person they were doing it for removed
    their KF. Now at least I'm being responded to directly instead of having a
    middleman.

    Well, *I* like you, even if that other guy *is* always right. ROFLMAO!

    Carol, looking for a place to hide
    --
    "Years ago my mother used to say to me... She'd say,
    'In this world Elwood, you must be oh-so smart or oh-so pleasant.'
    Well, for years I was smart.... I recommend pleasant. You may quote me."

    *James Stewart* in the 1950 movie, _Harvey_

  18. Dog3 <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    [snip all of text]

    Thanks for reposting my entire article. <EG> I'm not sure if it was your
    intent but if I'm really being kf'd by North-end-of-a-southbound-mule
    Aikens, he'll see it because he hasn't chastised you with that empty
    threat.

    The Ranger

  19. Damsel in dis Dress <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    [snip using middle-people for posting]

    Quoted message said:

    Well, *I* like you, even if that other guy *is* always right.
    ROFLMAO!

    /deadman stare towards the Northern Wasteland

    I hate you. (And it's a permanent hate, too!)

    Quoted message said:

    Carol, looking for a place to hide

    Choices, choices. A bunny or a march hare... I can pressure cook the
    march hare into a semblance of food...

    The Ranger

  20. "Damsel in dis Dress" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Wayne Boatwright said:

    I don't see what the big deal is. The original request was petty and made
    to sound as though we "owe" this person the information. Not the nature
    of
    newsgroups, to be sure.

    I don't want to stir up a dust storm here, but I agree with you, Wayne.

    I don't particularly give a damn what's on sale at Albertson's (west coast
    chain?), so I just disregard those posts. Simple to do.

    And if I hear that someone's getting good prices on such-and-such, I'll
    check the store(s) where I *do* buy groceries. That's called Real Life.

    You and Wayne nailed it.

    nancy

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